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Apr 4, 2018 14:55:47   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
rdrechsler wrote:
For sure. I thought I made that clear when I said I’ve produced award winning shots with my iPhone and bridge cameras too. But the original question was about camera equipment and my response was specifically addressing that issue.


I thought the question was whether smaller sensor cameras can be serious cameras. The answer is obvious a huge YES.

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Apr 4, 2018 15:02:40   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
tdekany wrote:
But technology has nothing to do with what a great picture makes. Does your D850 tell you what time of the day to take a picture? Does it tell you how to compose? Does it tell you what subject matter to record? No, it can’t do that, anymore than an iPhone can.


In my opinion, to say technology has nothing to do with a great picture is false. Even the old Box Brownie used technology based upon years of experience by photographers prior to that. I suspect even Matthew Brady would have welcomed a Brownie from time to time. The technology gives us more tools to express what we want in our photographic journey.

Dennis

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Apr 4, 2018 15:04:43   #
Angel Star Photography Loc: Tacoma, WA
 
jdedmonds wrote:
In my view, the enormous number and variety of the menu options on my Nikon 810 offer many more ways to manipulate the capture than less expensive, lighter weight cameras. If a "serious" photographer can be said to be adept at using many more of the menu features than I am neither inclined nor able to master, then DSLRs are more "serious" than P&S and bridge cameras. My limit for menu items was reached way back with a D200, and to the assertion that I bought increasingly complex cameras mostly for prestige of ownership I plead guilty. I can't prove this but I know it's true: many buyers of high-end cameras are similarly prestige motivated. Somebody should do a careful study of what percentage of their own camera's menu features are really used by camera owners. I have not yet encountered anyone except Thom Hogan et al. who actually understands and uses all the available options of a current up market DSLR.
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I don't think it would or should be a matter of using or mastering all of a camera's menu features but rather an awareness of the capabilities and how to access them when needed. The menu features are available to help the photographer address different problems that may be faced in the course of a given shoot and have the camera assist where it is wanted or needed. Likewise, customization facilitates quick access to the preferred settings that a photographer may have rather than needing to dial in the settings with each shoot.

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Apr 4, 2018 15:06:55   #
Angel Star Photography Loc: Tacoma, WA
 
kenArchi wrote:
I take myself seriously as I continue to learn to do better photography.
It doesn't matter what kind of camera I use.



Well said!!

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Apr 4, 2018 15:12:56   #
Angel Star Photography Loc: Tacoma, WA
 
tommystrat wrote:
Famous golfer Sam Snead, known to place a wager or two on the course, once bet a high roller that he could beat him in a round of golf using only a branch he would cut from a tree. You can guess the result - Snead's immense talent and a stick from a tree carried the day, and he went home a lot of dollars richer.

Moral of the story - top-tier talent and marginal equipment will ALWAYS produce better results than top-tier equipment and marginal talent.


And to add a touch of the military....improvise, adapt, and overcome....

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Apr 4, 2018 15:13:13   #
jtwind
 
"The most important part of a camera is the 12 inches behind it" Ansel Adams

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Apr 4, 2018 15:36:28   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Much is said here about cellphone cameras, whether a cellphone camera is really a camera, and that perhaps pictures taken with a cellphone camera are even considered photos. Then there are the dedicated cameras that seem to be deemed "lesser" cameras, such as the "point and shoot," and bridge cameras. It seems, at least on the surface, that these cameras aren't considered to be serious cameras because the lenses are fixed and they're lighter, with smaller sensors, even though many of them have all the PASM & Auto modes as well as many other features. Yet because they're small, it seems they're less regarded as a serious camera. Then there's the big jump to the DSLR's and upper end mirrorless cameras. Are they somehow more of a serious camera? Or is the serious part really the photographer behind the shutter button, regardless of the type of camera? So what really constitutes a "serious" camera? How do you all feel about this?
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I love cell phone cameras. it has made the joy of photography accessible in way that all of our expensive and "serious" gear never could.

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Apr 4, 2018 16:52:17   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
It "depends". It depends on whether or not you have artistic vision. It's not the tools, it's the vision.

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Apr 4, 2018 17:44:14   #
Novicus Loc: north and east
 
Longshadow wrote:
My camera is never serious... I tell it I want a certain picture and it replies "In your dreams.".


your camera is probably related to mine...

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Apr 4, 2018 18:03:13   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Much is said here about cellphone cameras, whether a cellphone camera is really a camera, and that perhaps pictures taken with a cellphone camera are even considered photos. Then there are the dedicated cameras that seem to be deemed "lesser" cameras, such as the "point and shoot," and bridge cameras. It seems, at least on the surface, that these cameras aren't considered to be serious cameras because the lenses are fixed and they're lighter, with smaller sensors, even though many of them have all the PASM & Auto modes as well as many other features. Yet because they're small, it seems they're less regarded as a serious camera. Then there's the big jump to the DSLR's and upper end mirrorless cameras. Are they somehow more of a serious camera? Or is the serious part really the photographer behind the shutter button, regardless of the type of camera? So what really constitutes a "serious" camera? How do you all feel about this?
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I assume you have a "real" camera. How many of your shots have made the front page of every newspaper and every TV network in the country. A cell phone picture of the "miracle on the Hudson" did exactly that. It has been said ,many times, that the best camera is the one you have with you. It's still true. A cellphone pic is a whole hellova lot better than no pic.

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Apr 4, 2018 18:07:05   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
boberic wrote:
I assume you have a "real" camera. How many of your shots have made the front page of every newspaper and every TV network in the country. A cell phone picture of the "miracle on the Hudson" did exactly that. It has been said ,many times, that the best camera is the one you have with you. It's still true. A cellphone pic is a whole hellova lot better than no pic.


I figured that my A6300 is at least a relatively "real" camera, but I don't take photos for any other than myself and family. I rarely even post pictures online on social media or here. But you're right, a cellphone pic is a whole lot better than no pic.

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Apr 4, 2018 19:18:39   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
You can take a coffee can, paint the inside flat black, mount a film strip, put a pinhole in the lid - viola, you have a camera. Is a cell phone camera any less a camera?

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Apr 4, 2018 19:38:17   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Angel Star Photography wrote:
Of these six, my Galaxy Note 8 is capable of 2, 3, 4, and 5. I'll have to investigate the possibility of an external flash capability. That would be an interesting experiment. Additionally, in Pro mode, the following can be accessed:

1. Metering---center-weighted, spot, or matrix
2. Exposure compensation
3. White balance
4. Focus: autofocus (center or multi-af with 35 focus points), or manual
5. Choice between shooting raw (dng) or jpeg. If you choose raw it will still save a jpeg but will also store a raw file. Raw files always get stored in the internal memory whereas the jpeg can be stored on the external memory, if desired.

The zoom capability is impressive. Up to 2x it is optical, afterwards it is digital but one shot I took of a bald eagle resting a tree at an estimated range of 64 feet came out well. It wasn't something I would say is comparable to a camera with a telephoto, but it was impressive none-the-less. Macros are quite impressive, too. Here is a macro that was taken simply to do a web search. The flower was about six and a half feet above me. The image was simply a quick shot, no pro mode, no attempt to compose, no flash, and I could even see the image on the screen until shot was taken---guess you could say the composition was done from the reverse side from the front of the camera and estimating center position.

http://www.angelstarphotography.com/Galleries/Macros/Macros/i-vZLfjsp/A

I have used my cell phone camera in moments when I didn't have my DSLR around and wanted to capture a moment. I use Pro mode most of the time and have captured streams with a frothy look, sunsets, panoramas, and HDR shots. I will admit that I do prefer my DSLR due to the intricate control one has but a cell phone with a good feature set can stand in when the DSLR is not immediately available. Ben Long talks about using cell phones for such cases as well.

One final comment...check out Brent Hall's video on the Note 8 and how he uses it at times.

https://youtu.be/Tk6nc4fVFI4

Finally, its all in the photographer as to what can be done and a willingness to explore and experiment.
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The S9+ is capable of all six items although some of them are limited in some respects. But almost all cameras are limited in some of those respects and that could be said of any "real camera". Maybe we should trump up some "requirement" that only "real cameras" can shoot full RAW 20mp shots at 60 fps. Then I would have a real camera, but no Canon or Nikon owner, along with many other brands, would have a "real camera". A tool is a tool is a tool; a camera is a camera is a camera.

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Apr 4, 2018 19:55:15   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
rmalarz wrote:
It's a matter of knowing the equipment one is using. All of the mentioned items are cameras. All have their specific limitations. However, each can produce good photographs in the hands of someone who knows the equipment and what they are doing.
--Bob



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Apr 4, 2018 20:10:56   #
cedymock Loc: Irmo, South Carolina
 
DeanS wrote:
You can take a coffee can, the inside flat black, mount a film strip, put a pinhole in the lid - viola, you have a camera. Is a cell phone camera any less a camera?


If you read the definition of a camera that coffee can has something a cell phones do not.

a device that consists of a lightproof chamber

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