Peterff
Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
Brent Rowlett wrote:
I simply stated the recommendations of Scott Kelby and company. Using Adobe products, I have no idea what GIMP, DPP formats are, nor do I need them. If you submit photos for publication the required format is usually TIFF or JPEG. Saving files to that format discards all other unused data from a RAW file. Saving finished files with layers in Photoshop allows us pros to return to the image, make adjustments to repurpose the image in other projects. No...you don't have to save a file to press print with your personal printer, but if you want to print your adjustments next week, you better save your file to some format. And yes, I assume people will print files in the future to make money.
I acknowledge there are many formats to use for their intended purposes, but to store maximum data, I use PSD and TIFF.
So with my limited knowledge, I continually make 6 figure annual incomes. With your plethora of knowledge, an Ink Jet print may be your final goal. Life just isn't fair is it? Sometimes the dumbest people fall on success. Maybe it is just good marketing.
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Brent, my main point is that you are expressing a highly personal perspective which is not representative of many people on UHH. There are many that do not use Adobe products, nor have the type of professional business that you do. I'm glad that you do so well, as I'm sure others are, but some people earn at least as much as you do and just treat photography as a hobby or side line. The choice of tools will vary depending upon the needs, but I'm not aware of many raw processors that are not capable of producing JPEG and 8bit or 16bit TIFF files, which means that many people could deliver files of publication quality in the required formats. Also, those tools will normally track the edits and allow reversion to earlier stages of the image, and it is very clear that any image at whatever version level results from editing needs to be saved.
Peterff
Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
mgoldfield wrote:
No Raw file has jpeg embedded in it.
Raw files contain ALL the information captured by the sensor when an exposure is taken. The camera's software creates a JPEG from that data and applies what it "thinks" is the best looking corrections and compresses the result.
The detail removed in the process can never be recovered from the jpeg.
Post processing software can also apply correction and compression to a RAW file to create a jpeg.
All jpegs are created with lossy compression!
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Brent Rowlett wrote:
Thank you! Another photographer that knows his stuff. Always save the RAW file for future projects. Ditto for PSD files if you wish to make future adjustments like skin tones for different settings.👍
Brent, you may be a good photographer, and a perfectly adequate professional running a business, but your understanding of computer technology - either cameras or computers appears somewhat limited.
Now, I do agree that one should
always save raw files for future projects. Software improves, and, in some cases, people's skills improve.
However, many, if not most or all raw files contain a JPEG embedded in them.
Brent, you are adding much value to the discussion, but at the same time demonstrating your highly personalized opinions together with a degree of ignorance.
Capiche?
Then delete the bad image and enhance the good one......
Peterff wrote:
Brent, you may be a good photographer, and a perfectly adequate professional running a business, but your understanding of computer technology - either cameras or computers appears somewhat limited.
Now, I do agree that one should always save raw files for future projects. Software improves, and, in some cases, people's skills improve.
However, many, if not most or all raw files contain a JPEG embedded in them.
Brent, you are adding much value to the discussion, but at the same time demonstrating your highly personalized opinions together with a degree of ignorance.
Capiche?
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Just a bit of information might be useful here. The embedded jpeg is not intended to be used for printing or for publication. It is a fairly low resolution image for software applications to be able to quickly extract an image that is good enough for image identification. These embedded jpg images are not adequate for many other purposes.
Rongnongno wrote:
Yes, ACDSee uses its own parameters. Strangely enough, these are more accurate since I have photographed the original I can tell which is better interpretation. I have not seen any way in ACR to neutralize Adobe interpretation other than a work around.
This in case you have paid attention this is about the visual differences, not about potential or any other difference between the two formats.
Getting back to your original topic, I see differences when viewing raw files depending on software. I screen files on my Mac Pro using finder and preview. These show as nearly completely flat. When viewing raw files with DPP, NXD or Darktable the images look very similar to a JPEG from either my Canon or Nikon Cameras. Just my 2 cents
Peterff
Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
pecohen wrote:
Just a bit of information might be useful here. The embedded jpeg is not intended to be used for printing or for publication. It is a fairly low resolution image for software applications to be able to quickly extract an image that is good enough for image identification. These embedded jpg images are not adequate for many other purposes.
Agreed. There is (usually) an embedded JPEG a raw file, but it is not of the highest quality. It can be extracted, but to what purpose?
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