NelsonARowe wrote:
I will be taking a trip to Iceland next summer (2019) that’s a photography workshop. I am interested in a full frame that has good weather resistance and a good selection of lenses. Preferably the lenses I would like to buy would be used or refurbished to save on price but I might buy new. I would want something that is a wide lens with great light capabilities because I will be shooting a lot in the early morning and night too. I would be doing more landscape photography than anything else. I would prefer keeping the weight down (mirrorless) but not apposed to a dslr if it’s going to give me better weather protection and lens choices. My budget for the setup would be $3,000 or close to it. I’m going to have plenty of time to learn the new one so that’s good. I would appreciate any suggestions you guys and girls have. Thanks.
At this time I have been looking at the Sony A7riii and the Olympus OMD E mii but that’s just initial research. Would a 42mp sensor be twice as good as a 20 or 24mp ? Or is this beyond the range of the human eye until you blow it up to an extremely large print ? I sometimes wonder if they are just doing new things because they can and then get to charge more for it 😂 even though it doesn’t necessarily matter.
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Olympus aren't "full frame". Far from it, in fact. They use the "micro four/thirds" (m4/3) sensors that are even smaller than APS-C. That allows Oly cameras and lenses to be quite compact... nice for travel. But the highest resolution m4/3 sensor to date is 20MP. The m4/3 sensor measures 21.6 x 17.3 millimeters, for a total are of 225 mm square. Compared to a so called "full frame" (24mm x 36mm = 860 mm sq.) and 20MP has nearly the same pixel density as 42MP full frame. Use a 2X lens factor to compare an Oly camera to a full frame model.
My suggestion... Get proper gear to protect the camera from rain or snow and use common sense. Plastic bags, rubber bands and some gaffer tape work pretty well! But there also a range of items made specifically for the purpose. Electronics and moisture simply don't get along very well. Don't rely upon manufacturer claims of "weather resistance"!
$3000 for a full frame setup with a decent lens kit? Good luck with that! That's really not very much for a full frame kit.
An a7R III is selling for $3200 and you'll also find Sony lenses tend to be among the more expensive... pricier than comparable Nikon or Canon. And while there are some third party lenses avail. for Sony, there are a lot more avail. for Canon and Nikon.
Currently the most affordable full frame are Nikon D610 (24MP, $1500), Pentax K1 (36MP, $1700), Nikon D750 (24MP, $1800) and Canon 6D Mark II (26MP, $1900.... note: the 20MP original 6D is still widely avail. new for around $1000-$1250).
More affordable Sony are their a7 II and a7 III (no "R") selling for about $1700 and $2000 respectively, both of which are 24MP cameras. I don't know the difference between these two Sony, if they are both still in production or if the III replaced the II.
The Pentax claims the highest weather resistance of the bunch, but doesn't have nearly as broad selection of lenses as Canon and Nikon (and there aren't a lot of third party lenses being offered to fit Pentax) but among the 14 full frame capable Pentax lenses there are 15-30mm f.2.8 ($1450), and 24-70mm f/2.8 ($1250) which are likely among the most desirable for landscape photography. There are some third party avail. from Tamron (70-200mm) and Sigma (70-300mm). Rokinon/Samyang offers some manual focus primes.
Canon 6D Mark II is the newest model among these. Canon themselves makes more than 60 full frame capable lenses. Among the Canon lenses, some of the more travel-friendly (size and weight), landscape photography lenses include their EF 16-35mm f/4L IS USM ($1100), 24-70mm f/4L IS USM ($900) and 24-105mm f/4L IS USM II ($1100).
With Nikon you can choose between two lower cost full frame models currently being offered and will find selection of full frame capable lenses similar to Canon. For example, Nikkor 16-35mm f/4G ($1100) and 24-120mm f/4G VR ($1100).
Sony has 16-35mm f/4 OSS ($1350), 24-70mm f/4 OSS ($1200) and 24-105mm f/4 OSS ($1300) lenses that might be good choices for you. Overall, Sony themselves offer about 40 full frame capable lenses, and there are around another 80 different ones made to fit Sony by various 3rd party manufacturers.
Note that some of the Nikon, Canon and Sony lenses have in-lens stabilization (Canon "IS" or Nikon "VR" or Sony "OSS"). Pentax uses in-camera stabilization instead. Sony has in-camera stabilization too... though I'm not sure if that's the case with the above models. But with either type of stabilization and the high ISO capabilities of the cameras, you probably won't need bigger, heavier, more expensive f/2.8 and faster lenses for landscape photography. In some cases f/4 lenses are sharper, too! The reason I included the Pentax f/2.8 lenses above is simply because there are no f/4 versions available.
If you want to use filters with your lenses, you also might consider that larger aperture lenses typically require bigger filters and that some like the Pentax 15-30mm have protruding, convex front lens elements that preclude using standard filters, require special filter holders, adapters (if available) and oversize filters. The same is true of Nikon 14-24mm and Canon 11-24mm, both which I omitted because they're almost certainly too pricey for your budget.
With both Canon and Nikon there are another 150 or so different lenses available from third party manufacturers. Some can be quite good and less expensive than OEM lenses, but with 3rd party there's always a little concern if the lens will work properly on a new camera model introduced 5 years from now... while with OEM you can be pretty sure it will. Note: All full frame capable "EF" Canon lenses made the past 30 years will fit and work on all Canon full frame cameras... no worries or compatibility issues. Similar with Nikon and even older Nikkor might work fine or partially, but Nikon has made numerous changes over the years so check lens/camera compatibility charts available at their website and elsewhere online. Canon "EF-S" lenses are crop only and won't work on FF. Their so-far small number of "EF-M" lenses for mirrorless cameras also aren't usable on the FF cameras. Nikon "DX" lenses will fit and work on their full frame cameras, but the cameras will automatically crop to APS-C format and with 24MP models like the above, you'll end up with 10MP images instead.
To save a little, Canon USA and Nikon USA both offer factory refurbished (often demo units with little real use) direct from their respective websites. Canon has done this for several years, so you won't find their refurbs at many retailers anymore, and they warrant their refurbs for the same 1 year as new. Nikon started selling refurbs directly just last year, so you still find some in other stores. They warrant their refurbs for 90 days, much like the major retailers do with used gear.
Have fun shopping!