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Mar 25, 2018 08:16:43   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
My only worry with a lot of the demands, regardless of age of the demander, is that it seems as if the are wishing for a Stalinist or Mau or POl Pot USA to name the most well known among the whatevers. That is not to over look the governments of East German or Hungary or Romania and others.

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Mar 25, 2018 08:21:42   #
02Nomad Loc: Catonsville, MD
 
The most memorable (to me) sign that I saw from yesterday's marches was: Congress You Are Not Ballot Proof.

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Mar 25, 2018 08:23:54   #
KGOldWolf
 
AirWalter wrote:
Definitely it was a terrible tragedy. There is something that I am having a hard time grasping though. From what I have read and heard about the Parkland shooting there was prior knowledge of this shooters problems, even from some of these students who are now blaming the NRA, the Government, and anyone who supports gun ownership. Since there was prior knowledge of this shooters problems, and no one did anything about it, why did these kids who were around Him all the time sit on Their butts and not continue to address this to the proper authorities again and again, or walk out of school as a group before this mentally deranged idiot did His shooting?






Definitely it was a terrible tragedy. There is so... (show quote)


Are you blaming the victims for getting killed?

The kids are not asking for revocation of the Second Amendment! They want consistent, national background checks, limits on magazine capacity, ban on semi-automatic weapons, increase age required for purchase (similar to the laws regulating the purchase of beer and tobacco), better rules for gun show and internet sales. Are they being unreasonable - No. Is opposition to these requests unreasonable - Yes!

These steps won’t solve the problem but they are steps in the right direction. Status quo is no longer acceptable and these kids will make the changes even if some of society tries to thwart them.

Think of it as a sea change. The tidal island will be submerged and the flows will be changed...

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Mar 25, 2018 08:25:20   #
SonyBug
 
letmedance wrote:
It will accomplish nothing, the problem lies not in the weapons used but in the social attitudes of today's youth. Too much time is spent in front of electronic devices and not nearly enough is spent learning how to fit in our society.


That's what I keep telling all the libs in our community and they just say "take away the guns". When I was a kid most of us had guns, and we hunted all the time (legally of course). Nobody ever thought of shooting anyone. But that was before the advent of violent video games. I can't even play those games since I find no pleasure in shooting up people and watching blood squirt.

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Mar 25, 2018 08:26:36   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
TriX wrote:
Despite the propaganda, no one is suggesting that guns be banned or that Americans be disarmed. The proposition is that there should be limits to the type of weapons that are available to the average citizen for non military uses, and that reasonable checks be in place for the purchase of guns. We (I hope) all agree that howitzers, grenades, RPGs and fully automatic weapons are inappropriate for civilian use - those laws have been in place since prohibition with little or no protest, even from the NRA. (and yes, I’m aware that there are permits available to purchase automatic weapons under certain circumstances). The proposition (supported by a majority of Americans) is that large capacity magazines and assault type weapons be subjected to the same laws as fully automatic weapons. Will it stop mass shootings? certainly not, but it would limit the damage.

I have yet to hear a cogent explanation of the civilian need for an AR-15 with a 30 shot magazine. It’s a lousy hunting rifle, a lousy target rifle, and a shotgun is a better home defense weapon. I grew up with guns and hunting, hand-loaded my own ammo, was an NRA member, shot on my college rifle team and shot on the pistol team at my Army base. I carried both fully automatic M-14s and M-16s in combat in Vietnam. I have a concealed carry permit, so I am hardly anti-gun. And we found that a 12 Ga pump was a very useful weapon in an ambush in VietNam - it’s my choice for a home defense weapon now. I can see no reason to own an assault weapon with a 30 shot magazine unless you want to kill lots of people in a hurry, which is exactly what’s happening in these shootings. If the shooter had a pistol, a shotgun or a 6 shot hunting rifle, there would have certainly been fatalities, but likely fewer. Take note of the recent school shooting in Maryland. The shooter had a pistol, not an assault weapon, and the courageous deputy was on equal footing with the shooter, not under-armed. The shooter killed 1 (not 17) and wounded 1 (not 15) before he was killed. Were the circumstances and the reaction of the officer different from Parkland? You bet, but you can’t ignore the contrast.

Today, our children asserted THEIR constitutional right to free speech and THEIR right to petition the government for redress of grievances, and I, for one, am proud of them. They were mature, non-violent, focused and well behaved. Our children have clearly told us what needs to be done, and now it’s up to the adults to do the right thing. Feel free to disagree, it’s your constitutional right.
Despite the propaganda, no one is suggesting that ... (show quote)



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Mar 25, 2018 08:27:04   #
SonyBug
 
KGOldWolf wrote:
Are you blaming the victims for getting killed?

The kids are not asking for revocation of the Second Amendment! They want consistent, national background checks, limits on magazine capacity, ban on semi-automatic weapons, increase age required for purchase (similar to the laws regulating the purchase of beer and tobacco), better rules for gun show and internet sales. Are they being unreasonable - No. Is opposition to these requests unreasonable - Yes!

These steps won’t solve the problem but they are steps in the right direction. Status quo is no longer acceptable and these kids will make the changes even if some of society tries to thwart them.

Think of it as a sea change. The tidal island will be submerged and the flows will be changed...
Are you blaming the victims for getting killed? br... (show quote)


I really blame the permissive parents and the greedy video makers who desensitize our children to violence and fail to instill moral values.

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Mar 25, 2018 08:30:07   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
nikonbug wrote:
I really blame the permissive parents and the greedy video makers who desensitize our children to violence and fail to instill moral values.



I believe it has a lot to do with moral values and the rejection of God in Our present Society.

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Mar 25, 2018 08:34:17   #
KGOldWolf
 
nikonbug wrote:
That's what I keep telling all the libs in our community and they just say "take away the guns". When I was a kid most of us had guns, and we hunted all the time (legally of course). Nobody ever thought of shooting anyone. But that was before the advent of violent video games. I can't even play those games since I find no pleasure in shooting up people and watching blood squirt.

Geeze - that’s just pure BS!

NO ONE is saying “take away your guns”. People are saying have more reasonable rules governing their acquisition and type of weaponry citizens can buy. Why can’t people buy tanks and RPGs? Because they are meant for war, not civilized society. The same should be true for semi’s that can be converted to assault weapons.

The paranoia incited by the gun lobby is so fabricated as to be beyond belief - for most people.

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Mar 25, 2018 08:36:35   #
KGOldWolf
 
nikonbug wrote:
I really blame the permissive parents and the greedy video makers who desensitize our children to violence and fail to instill moral values.

Blame the unreasonable people in our midst who make semis and other guns easier to buy than beer and tobacco.

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Mar 25, 2018 08:38:53   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
KGOldWolf wrote:
Geeze - that’s just pure BS!

NO ONE is saying “take away your guns”. People are saying have more reasonable rules governing their acquisition and type of weaponry citizens can buy. Why can’t people buy tanks and RPGs? Because they are meant for war, not civilized society. The same should be true for semi’s that can be converted to assault weapons.

The paranoia incited by the gun lobby is so fabricated as to be beyond belief - for most people.



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Mar 25, 2018 08:39:07   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
KGOldWolf wrote:
Blame the unreasonable people in our midst who make semis and other guns easier to buy than beer and tobacco.



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Mar 25, 2018 08:42:34   #
egegikbob
 
Interesting look at a two word problem

NO RESPECT

Interesting one word root cause

DRUGS

posible three solution


MANDITORY DRUG TESTING


short insights...

Knives kill more people each year that rifles...
60,000+ people die die from just the opioid drugs....

When teenagers (and Adults) march to remove drugs from our society.....
Then the conversation will be focused on the root cause....

Mandatory testing for every person in the USA ages 16 years to 70 years

To beat the problem....you have to ID the problem!

We start from both ends the President and every elected official on down
and every HS Freshman on up. those in the middle will start to think about
the coming positive ID of their habit.

Crime, shootings, knife play, auto slaughter basically rooted in the societies
acceptance of the RIGHT to use drugs.

So stop marching and talking about a few tools used by a society
to display their lack of respect through their acceptance of drugs.

ID the root cause in every person on America

Then spend our time/money on saving them
(and ourselves)

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Mar 25, 2018 08:43:19   #
retiredsgt Loc: Red Lion Pa.
 
Kind of Interesting ! "Children" demanding to have their rights TAKEN AWAY ! The Great Dr. M. L. King would be PROUD!

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Mar 25, 2018 08:43:19   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
These kids are not so jaded and complacent as most of us old farts and they see the hypocrisy and bullshit that abounds in our politics - such as the fact that 92% of Americans want universal background checks but the NRA and it's money prevents that from happening. Three million high school seniors per year graduate - and are or will soon become voters. They usually don't vote - but if this movement changes just that, we will start seeing changes. Good for them!

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Mar 25, 2018 08:45:42   #
KGOldWolf
 
sb wrote:
These kids are not so jaded and complacent as most of us old farts and they see the hypocrisy and bullshit that abounds in our politics - such as the fact that 92% of Americans want universal background checks but the NRA and it's money prevents that from happening. Three million high school seniors per year graduate - and are or will soon become voters. They usually don't vote - but if this movement changes just that, we will start seeing changes. Good for them!

Thank God for rational people!
👍👍👍

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