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Mar 20, 2018 12:28:15   #
cezlaw
 
Wow.....tremendous information. Thanks everyone. This is great. I'll need to take some time tonight to sort through all of it and look at some the specific information you have suggested.

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Mar 20, 2018 13:04:51   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
cezlaw wrote:
So I'm relatively new to photography and getting the right right equipment is obviously important. I'm currently shooting a Sony ar7iii with a Sony 24-70 2.8 GM. This isn't an overly heavy set up but I do plan on picking up a bigger zoom lens. I'm focusing mostly on landscape and long exposure photography. So having a relatively light weight and flexible tripod with a decent weight load capacity is important. I generally research things to death before I make a purchase - which is both a blessing and a curse.

I'm new here and thought it would be another opportunity to continue to research things to death by picking the collective brilliant brains on this forum.

So what are your tripod recommendations? Money really isn't a barrier but of course I want good value for my money.

Thanks!
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Image magnification, not gear weight, will determine what tripod you end up with. light and flexible does not translate into stability. Researching is good, choosing proper sources is not. UHH is NOT a good place to get advice on tripods. Look at the RRS pages on how to select a tripod:

http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/tripod-guide

And the Gitzo tripod catalog - catalog attached below.

These are consistent in establishing that the top tube diameter is an excellent predictor of tripod stability. Higher magnification requires thicker legs, preferably made of carbon fiber. You cannot avoid this reality. And you are not going to get stability in a $200 tripod with skinny legs. A tripod for landscape with a wide lens can be considerably lighter than the one you'll need for macro and long lens use - regardless of how much everything weighs. If it has the stability it will definitely have the load capacity. Sadly, load capacity rarely indicates how stable a tripod is.

If you can justify an RRS tripod - it will be the last tripod you will ever buy. They have a great modular system for pano, long lens gimbal, and macro rail use - and their ball heads are legendary. I think they are the best in the industry, and slightly less costly than Gitzo, which is also quite good.

If that is too rich - then there are alternatives if you pay attention to what matters.

Gitzo Catalog
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Mar 20, 2018 13:13:11   #
cezlaw
 
Great advice! Thanks. I'll look at this. I've got over 5k in the camera and just one lens. Not to mention the filters. I'm not going to scrimp on the thing holding all that up.


Gene51 wrote:
Image magnification, not gear weight, will determine what tripod you end up with. light and flexible does not translate into stability. Researching is good, choosing proper sources is not. UHH is NOT a good place to get advice on tripods. Look at the RRS pages on how to select a tripod:

http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/tripod-guide

And the Gitzo tripod catalog - catalog attached below.

These are consistent in establishing that the top tube diameter is an excellent predictor of tripod stability. Higher magnification requires thicker legs, preferably made of carbon fiber. You cannot avoid this reality. And you are not going to get stability in a $200 tripod with skinny legs. A tripod for landscape with a wide lens can be considerably lighter than the one you'll need for macro and long lens use - regardless of how much everything weighs. If it has the stability it will definitely have the load capacity. Sadly, load capacity rarely indicates how stable a tripod is.

If you can justify an RRS tripod - it will be the last tripod you will ever buy. They have a great modular system for pano, long lens gimbal, and macro rail use - and their ball heads are legendary. I think they are the best in the industry, and slightly less costly than Gitzo, which is also quite good.

If that is too rich - then there are alternatives if you pay attention to what matters.
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Mar 20, 2018 14:17:45   #
cezlaw
 
Thanks!
jerryc41 wrote:
Tripods seem to be like camera bags. There's always another one I should buy. Two good articles -

http://bythom.com/support.htm
http://www.sansmirror.com/articles/how-much-tripod-do-you-need.html

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Mar 20, 2018 14:18:48   #
cezlaw
 
Completely agree. Thanks!

davidrb wrote:
"Light weight and flexible" are your pitfall here. Call it an oxymoron. 2 years ago while on a workshop on Lake Superior I watched a woman extend her version of a light weight tripod. She set it on the rock we were on and turned to get her camera out of it's bag. Her light weight tripod was blown over and tumbled into the water. The woman learned a very valuable lesson and it did not cost her too much in grief or money. We've all heard similar stories about tripods going over cliffs, some are true and very expensive lessons. Junk yards are littered with light weight failures. Buy cheap-buy often in an axiom for tripods you do not want to learn the hard way. Good value for your money means strong and sturdy, not flexible and light weight. It also means about 60% of the tripods on the market are junk. If you value your Sony, and it sounds as though you do, why hang it on cheap and weak? For assistance you might look at RSS's primer for tripods and how to select one. Their gear is as good as their advice, but they are just one reputable tripod maker. One of your best options would be to call MTShooter at The Camera Cottage in Billings, MT. Carter not only sells great products he dispenses better advice. By including him in your research you will get the good value for your money that you seek. Good luck in your search, it is too important a piece of gear to make costly mistakes.
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Mar 20, 2018 14:19:53   #
cezlaw
 
Good Advice.

TJBNovember wrote:
I'm just going with a few suggestions. First don't get drawn in by a weight capacity, heavier capacity is not necessarily better. Second stability and steadiness, i.e. ability not to fall over and dampen vibration should be considered. Lastly pack up your gear and head for your local camera store to see what they recommend and a try out a few or a lot of different makes and style's. I'm not going advocate for any particular brand here as there are many from reasonably priced to crazily expensive, that is for you to decide on how much to budget.
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Mar 20, 2018 14:22:10   #
cezlaw
 
Looks like if I want to protect my gear and have the right pod for my preferred shooting I'll be spending around that price.

rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Really Right Stuff Versa Series 2 with a BH-40 ball head

http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/Series-2-Support-Packages

You go on photo workshops and everybody has a RRS tripod.

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Mar 20, 2018 15:26:15   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
I’ve come to agree with Gene51 regarding UHH and tripods. Plenty of advice on UHH to buy lightweight cheap tripods that will need to be replaced or simply won’t do the job. Ease of use is also underplayed.

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Mar 20, 2018 15:35:28   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
cezlaw wrote:
Great advice! Thanks. I'll look at this. I've got over 5k in the camera and just one lens. Not to mention the filters. I'm not going to scrimp on the thing holding all that up.


You have more wisdom that the average UHHer providing advice on tripods, or those looking to buy one. There is something alluring and magical about the $100 tripod that somehow attracts normally sensible people who buy them, thinking that it's all they need. You, thankfully have more sense than that.

Indeed, many have figured out what it takes to properly support and stabilize gear for specific uses, and have made excellent and responsible recommendations - others continue to sing the same old song that goes like this, "I have this tripod that I bought for [cheap price] and I love it, so you should, too!" So be careful, and continue to follow your gut. If you go RRS, whether you go Versa 2, 3 or 4 will be determined by your ultimate goals - really long lenses, or macro at 1:1 or larger - you''ll be best served by a 4, and so on.

Your suspicions are confirmed at :48 in the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8HVPrPzpR4

There certainly are a lot of nuts out there. . .

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Mar 20, 2018 15:49:20   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
It’s better to buy too much tripod for your camera/lens than put too much camera/lens on your tripod.

JMHO

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Mar 20, 2018 16:15:47   #
jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio
 
bsprague wrote:
For a few years I've been using a $100 carbon fiber model sold (once) by Costco and made somewhere in China. I actually like it!

What do you use?

I have two RRS tripods and two RRS ball heads. The big tripod extends to 7' in case I need to extend legs down a slope. The small tripod is for backpacking. They were chosen based on damping for 800mm lenses and high resolution full frame cameras.

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Mar 20, 2018 16:35:59   #
jcboy3
 
cezlaw wrote:
So I'm relatively new to photography and getting the right right equipment is obviously important. I'm currently shooting a Sony ar7iii with a Sony 24-70 2.8 GM. This isn't an overly heavy set up but I do plan on picking up a bigger zoom lens. I'm focusing mostly on landscape and long exposure photography. So having a relatively light weight and flexible tripod with a decent weight load capacity is important. I generally research things to death before I make a purchase - which is both a blessing and a curse.

I'm new here and thought it would be another opportunity to continue to research things to death by picking the collective brilliant brains on this forum.

So what are your tripod recommendations? Money really isn't a barrier but of course I want good value for my money.

Thanks!
So I'm relatively new to photography and getting t... (show quote)


Here are three things to consider:

How tall are you? How much do you want the tripod to be tall enough that you don't need to bend over? Subtract about one foot from your height (to account for distance from top of head to eyes, viewfinder to base of camera, and height of tripod head). For stability, the tripod legs should get close to that height without use of the center column.

How compact do you want the tripod to be? Look at the folded length of the tripod (with or without head attached, depends on the design which is applicable). The key factor is how many segments the legs have, and whether the legs fold up over the tripod head or down from the head. More segments means shorter collapsed length (but less stability). If the legs fold down from the head, you can remove the head for compactness. If the legs fold up, you are limited to included tripod heads (or have to remove the head whenever you fold it up).

Does it come with an Arca-Swiss type head (or you get no head with it and buy and Arca-Swiss type head)? Arca-Swiss is a quick release mechanism that everyone copies. It is not the quickest release mechanism, but it is the most flexible. Get a custom base plate for your camera, and your big lenses, and you can easily mount the camera or lens. Custom base plates are flush with the camera body, and add a little extra height for better handling.

Here are some special considerations for folded length:

1. Do you want to travel with the tripod? Most of my travel gear is <21" so it will fit in carry-on luggage. I am 69" tall (yup, shrunk with age and a serious back injury), and my large travel tripod is exactly 21" if I remove the center column, and the height is 57" without extending the center column. If I was taller, I'd still go with that tripod; a little column extension won't hurt stability that much.

2. Do you want to carry the tripod around with you? I use a smaller tripod with about 14" folded length (without head) which fits inside some of my camera bags. This is very convenient when I need to be in crowds; much better than worrying about a tripod strapped to the outside of a bag. It means I don't get eye-level with the camera, but I'd rather bend over a bit than worry about smacking someone in the head.

Finally, get carbon fiber. It's more expensive, but the weight savings can be significant. And there's nothing like cold aluminum; carbon fiber does not suck the heat from your hands.

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Mar 21, 2018 06:09:30   #
SteveMcBill
 
I would recommend from personal usage a Gitzo Systematic Series-4. Good luck with it all.

Steve

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Mar 21, 2018 06:31:59   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Really Right Stuff....think of it as a System that can grow with you as your needs expand. Not inexpensive but very well made and a great set of components for all kinds of shooting...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Mar 21, 2018 06:50:03   #
Ron E B Loc: UK Hertfordshire
 
Like so many others I went through numerous tripods, some OK some not so good. They all had issues such as weight , sturdiness, ease of use etc, etc. Eventually I bit the bullet and bought a Gitzo (almost had to take out a mortgage), this meets all my present and likely future needs, using lenses up to 500mm. The main lesson that I learned was that the sum of all the other tripods came to substantially more than the Gitzo, so invest in quality, spend the money and you may never have to buy another.

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