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Mar 17, 2018 12:12:41   #
skingfong Loc: Sacramento
 
SharpShooter wrote:
As I see the parade of post on UHH, most are about TECH, cameras, lenses or how they work or what we need?!
Does anybody have to know or even care how the duel pixel focusing system in their camera even works?
Who cares what the light meter is doing, the camera can do that all by itself!
Most of the pics shot on Manual are worse than the ones shot on Auto, at least that’s what many come on here saying.
I’ve said here many times that composition is KING! So if we compose well, why do we need to know any technical BS at all?!?! Gone are the days of full manual cameras with no meters and flying by the seat of your pants.
The cameras are way smarter than we are anyway.
With only a few exceptions, do we need to know any tech at all??? Do we?
Do you, other than to sound impressive???
I say no, what do you say?!
Feel free to post some pics to show your position. How you feel knowledge of tech helped your image!
SS
As I see the parade of post on UHH, most are about... (show quote)


Composition is a great start, but I think you have to have a basic understanding of the exposure triangle. You need both composition and technical skills to be well rounded. It's like yin and yang. Knowing what to expect and the limitations of your gear can't hurt. If you can great shots from in auto mode that's fine and dandy but it's also limiting. Then again shutter and aperture priority is semi-auto. So is P mode and manual mode with auto ISO. Knowing how to use apps for PP is another technical aspect also.

To get the complete picture I think you need both a good eye and tech knowledge. If I didn't have any technical knowledge, I would only use my phone to take pictures.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:12:44   #
dar_clicks Loc: Utah
 
waegwan wrote:
This is an interesting post, so my question is, is light control outside of the camera part of technical control or composition? Your Brownie Hawkeye and Instamatic had no f/stop or shutter speed controls that could control the amount of light coming into the camera so it would seem to me that any light control with those cameras would have to be with composition. Your thoughts?

The Brownie had a couple of filters, yellow and close-up, and mine was without flash but had time exposure provision which was handy indoors or other dark situations — no tripod socket though, so finding a way to prop it up securely was ... interesting!
- The Instamatic had two shutter speeds. The slower one could be done by putting a used flash cube, or it’s base, into the flash cube socket which was useful sometimes. While skiing I’d wear the camera on a strap under my coat with a sunglasses lens between the camera lens and the hole in front of the case’s leather strap that went across the front. That got the exposure closer for the snow but didn’t do much for sharpness! —— To the point, the answer to your question is Yes. Obviously the camera’s controls were too limited and one had to pay attention to where the sun was, etc., and that affected composition. Later I had to break away from some of my elders’ advice like “always keep the sun at your back, ...” You can probably see a little better now why I can welcome many of the improvements that have been made to photo equipment. BTW, some very decent prints can be made from those old Brownie’s 6x6 negs!

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Mar 17, 2018 12:15:57   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
LOL... If you compose well and correctly expose with good lighting I don't think that tech is needed beyond that, the problem for many of us is that we rarely get it all perfect. An image can be a technical mess but if it conveys feeling and emotion it will probably rank among your top pics of the year.

Very very well said! It’s not always the tech perfect sharp phot that moves me but one that appeals to my emotions

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Mar 17, 2018 12:17:55   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
Sometime back a sort of dumb question was asked and someone did some research on the guy that asked it and found out he was selling a lot of his work on the net and said he was a troll for asking such a thing. Then someone else dug a little deeper and all his photos were taken on Auto. A new guy that had a good eye. Just saying - Dave

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Mar 17, 2018 12:20:58   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
davyboy wrote:
Very very well said! It’s not always the tech perfect sharp phot that moves me but one that appeals to my emotions


Granted, a technically imperfect photo can move people, and is better than a technically perfect photo which is boring. But the ideal is to have both.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:21:01   #
srt101fan
 
John_F wrote:
Is not subject and content just part of composition. In my mind, they are.


John, several here, including the OP (SharpShooter) seem to agree with you. I always thought of composition differently, more along the lines of the definitions here:

https://photographylife.com/what-is-composition-in-photography

To quote from that site: "Simply put, composing an image means arranging elements within it in a way that suits the core idea or goal of your work best.....Composition is a way of guiding the viewer’s eye towards the most important elements of your work, sometimes – in a very specific order. A good composition can help make a masterpiece even out of the dullest objects and subjects in the plainest of environments. On the other hand, a bad composition can ruin a photograph completely, despite how interesting the subject may be."

I guess this points out again how important definitions are in allowing people to communicate effectively!

SharpShooter - Sorry if this goes a little too far afield from your "technical" issue!

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Mar 17, 2018 12:23:21   #
autofocus Loc: North Central Connecticut
 
davyboy wrote:
Very very well said! It’s not always the tech perfect sharp phot that moves me but one that appeals to my emotions

yes, emotion is very important in a photo, even if it's not technically perfect, I agree. But, as a shooter, wouldn't it be good to know how you got there should you want to duplicate something like that again?...or do you just leave it to chance? I opt for the former, but that's just me

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Mar 17, 2018 12:25:22   #
BebuLamar
 
I agree with SS that one doesn't need to know much about the technical side of photography to be a good photographer. However, I am a hobbyist and not a professional the technical side is more fun and more definitive so I like to discuss about the technical aspect on the UHH and not the artistic. To me artistic is in the beholder. I do not judge or comment.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:28:55   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
SharpShooter wrote:
As I see the parade of post on UHH, most are about TECH, cameras, lenses or how they work or what we need?!
Does anybody have to know or even care how the duel pixel focusing system in their camera even works?
Who cares what the light meter is doing, the camera can do that all by itself!
Most of the pics shot on Manual are worse than the ones shot on Auto, at least that’s what many come on here saying.
I’ve said here many times that composition is KING! So if we compose well, why do we need to know any technical BS at all?!?! Gone are the days of full manual cameras with no meters and flying by the seat of your pants.
The cameras are way smarter than we are anyway.
With only a few exceptions, do we need to know any tech at all??? Do we?
Do you, other than to sound impressive???
I say no, what do you say?!
Feel free to post some pics to show your position. How you feel knowledge of tech helped your image!
SS
As I see the parade of post on UHH, most are about... (show quote)


After over 1500 weddings I say i could shoot a wedding with a point and shoot camera. Some shots i would do with a great camera might not be in the mix of shots because of the limitations of a point and shoot but a bride may not notice if she never saw those kind of shots when she hired the photographer. The dance i shot last night i think is proof of it. I set the camera to aperture mode f8 pre-focused the lens 6 or 7 feet and went around in the dark shooting the high school kids dancing. It was too dark for my Nikon D7200 to see to focus on auto focus and to dark to see to focus but still enough for the eye to see. I used ISO 3200 to try and get separation of the shots from the background. Just saying a point and shoot with flash would have been sufficient. I do not fully agree that as a pro I could fully without the added benefit of more lenses and camera bodies but for some shots point and shoot will work.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:38:01   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
You need some understanding and technical skill to enhance your image in the camera and after but without good composition and an interesting subject technical skill is all for naught. It's not an either/or, it requires both skill sets. BUT it doesn't require the amount of technical knowledge that is discussed in excruciating detail here.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:41:34   #
Frank W Loc: Adirondacks in NY
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Perhaps the old adage applies here...can’t teach an old dog new tricks.


I'M DOOMED.... :-)

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Mar 17, 2018 12:49:06   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
This may sound silly, but it has been my experience in teaching. You need to be concerned about: Subject, Intent (why take the pic, what moves you), Composition (reflects the intent, directs the eye), lighting (reflects the intent, directs the eye), depth of field (reflects the intent, directs the eye).
Each of those has many variations and techniques. If your shot does not look right, explore whichever area you need to work on. This goes on for approximately......forever.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:49:10   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Show me a fine composition technically well done without an interesting subject. I'll show you the reverse and I'll bet mine wins.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:51:41   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
There are three main elements, Content, Composition, and Technique. Lighting and depth of field fall under technique. Intent is usually reserved for legal proceedings.
artBob wrote:
This may sound silly, but it has been my experience in teaching. You need to be concerned about: Subject, Intent (why take the pic, what moves you), Composition (reflects the intent, directs the eye), lighting (reflects the intent, directs the eye), depth of field (reflects the intent, directs the eye).
Each of those has many variations and techniques. If your shot does not look right, explore whichever area you need to work on. This goes on for approximately......forever.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:52:37   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
As it's said, a picture is worth a 1000 words. Here's two. All that was available to me was f/stop, shutter speed, and ISO. Nothing more, nothing less. In the second photo, the additional judgment to use of an X1 filter.

I do have a smattering knowledge of H-D curves. I guess that could be considered technical.
--Bob

SharpShooter wrote:
As I see the parade of post on UHH, most are about TECH, cameras, lenses or how they work or what we need?!
Does anybody have to know or even care how the duel pixel focusing system in their camera even works?
Who cares what the light meter is doing, the camera can do that all by itself!
Most of the pics shot on Manual are worse than the ones shot on Auto, at least that’s what many come on here saying.
I’ve said here many times that composition is KING! So if we compose well, why do we need to know any technical BS at all?!?! Gone are the days of full manual cameras with no meters and flying by the seat of your pants.
The cameras are way smarter than we are anyway.
With only a few exceptions, do we need to know any tech at all??? Do we?
Do you, other than to sound impressive???
I say no, what do you say?!
Feel free to post some pics to show your position. How you feel knowledge of tech helped your image!
SS
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