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Mar 3, 2018 04:05:49   #
Novicus Loc: north and east
 
All of those " security measures " were carried out thirty years ago...incl. peering through lenses , nothing new.

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Mar 3, 2018 11:38:18   #
74images Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
JDspartan48 wrote:
U.S. Customs & TSA are obliging, you should be thankful that it was a mere hop & skip. I travelled to Israel & the Holy Lands three times during the last 25-30 years. I had to strip, they told me that I had to have my "BARE LEG" searched to make sure it was not hollow for a bomb, had my lens caps, body caps, motor drive batteries removed and other accessories, bags & monopods scanned & checked. You should have seen the look on their face when I presented them with a lead lined bag holding my exposed slide films about forty-fifty or so.That took me a lot of time in a small enclosure. So what you went thru was a piece of cake. The only thing that they did not due was to stick their fingers thru my empty camera bags. Those were the days!
U.S. Customs & TSA are obliging, you should be... (show quote)


Yeah that's Israel, they don't Play Around when it comes to Security, that don't want the Terrorists to Succeed in their Country, at the Airport's, & also on Its Main Airline.

74images

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Mar 3, 2018 12:34:21   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
74images wrote:
Yeah that's Israel, they don't Play Around when it comes to Security, that don't want the Terrorists to Succeed in their Country, at the Airport's, & also on Its Main Airline.

74images


Precisely why there has only been one successful hijacking of an El Al airliner, which was in 1968 (“Flight 426”).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_426_hijacking

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Mar 3, 2018 13:28:32   #
Stardust Loc: Central Illinois
 
Would guess combination of where you were flying in from and number of pieces you had. Hollowed out those would have held lot of drugs or explosives.

I fly internationally regularly with a couple cameras and one extra lens. At most I have to turn cameras on to show viewfinder, usually they go through scanning no questions asked.

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Mar 3, 2018 13:35:43   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
CaptainBobBrown wrote:
Just returned to U.S. from Costa Rica bird shoot via LAX for connecting flight to Hawaii and was very surprised to have my bags singled out from the scanner by a TSA agent calling out "photography equipment"! I had 3 Nikon bodies and 4 lenses in my camera back pack and they took the pack to an inspection table and took all bodies and lenses out examining each one in detail. Even had to remove caps from both ends of the lenses so they could "see if they can see light through them". My question to traveling Hogs is has anyone else traveling recently through U.S. airports been subjected to this time consuming and detailed exam? Is it part of the new "getting tougher on security" policy announced late last year or have I just been lucky before not to have encountered such a probing inspection?
Just returned to U.S. from Costa Rica bird shoot v... (show quote)


Traveled last year to Italy and no real problem, did not take the gear out one-by-one but did poke around in the bag and swap my hands for residue. I'm going to CR in July probably through LAX so can report back after that if any problems. I am TSA approved so it helps on "this side."

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Mar 3, 2018 13:55:22   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
anotherview wrote:
The Koran calls for all Muslims to kill infidels (non-Muslims) wherever they find them. Read more here: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

Let us not close our eyes to the threat from the Muslim terrorists.


You are right. We should not close our eyes to the influx of muslims to our nation. In some cities in the USA there are neighbor hoods that only allow muslims to move into them and in those neighbor hoods they follow sharia law only. The old Christian against Muslim fight is still here and has been for many centuries quiet until 9/11 here in the USA and in many other nations long before that date. Violence from muslims in England and Violence in France plus other countries proves that point.

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Mar 3, 2018 16:50:46   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
drklrd wrote:
You are right. We should not close our eyes to the influx of muslims to our nation. In some cities in the USA there are neighbor hoods that only allow muslims to move into them and in those neighbor hoods they follow sharia law only. The old Christian against Muslim fight is still here and has been for many centuries quiet until 9/11 here in the USA and in many other nations long before that date. Violence from muslims in England and Violence in France plus other countries proves that point.


Just remember that we have more than enough of our own whack jobs here, supported by the NRA. Another one shot himself outside the White House today. Was he a terrorist? Was he a Muslim? Was he a Christian? Was he a right wing conservative or a left wing liberal? Was he a good guy with a gun gone bad? We do not not know, yet. America has the worst gun violence record in the civilized world, and the NRA has succeeded in stopping research being done. The USA is in denial, and is its own worst enemy.

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Mar 3, 2018 18:44:50   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
Peterff wrote:
Just remember that we have more than enough of our own whack jobs here, supported by the NRA. Another one shot himself outside the White House today. Was he a terrorist? Was he a Muslim? Was he a Christian? Was he a right wing conservative or a left wing liberal? Was he a good guy with a gun gone bad? We do not not know, yet. America has the worst gun violence record in the civilized world, and the NRA has succeeded in stopping research being done. The USA is in denial, and is its own worst enemy.
Just remember that we have more than enough of our... (show quote)


Sorry the NRA does not support whack jobs just honest people who love the sport of shooting and hunting and fishing. The NRA deplores the whack jobs and supports our constitution as I still do. without the second the Japanese would have launched an assault on our shores. As they did say after the war that they would have been met by the armed citizen had they landed on our shores and is why they never attempted it. As for the worst gun violence try Syria, Mass shootings in Africa as well as mass burials, a few others come to mind. Bombings will beat out the loose guns any day of the week they destroy and maim more at a time. NRA stopping research as in research into what? Our news programs have no more Viet Nam to report on so they pick on anything the republicans do these days while lying about anything republican plus stretching truths into lies to fit their needs to sell airtime. Good journalism has gone by the wayside. Journalism today promotes the so called democratic way and denounces the truth when it meets their needs.

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Mar 3, 2018 19:11:44   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
drklrd wrote:
Sorry the NRA does not support whack jobs just honest people who love the sport of shooting and hunting and fishing. The NRA deplores the whack jobs and supports our constitution as I still do. without the second the Japanese would have launched an assault on our shores. As they did say after the war that they would have been met by the armed citizen had they landed on our shores and is why they never attempted it. As for the worst gun violence try Syria, Mass shootings in Africa as well as mass burials, a few others come to mind. Bombings will beat out the loose guns any day of the week they destroy and maim more at a time. NRA stopping research as in research into what? Our news programs have no more Viet Nam to report on so they pick on anything the republicans do these days while lying about anything republican plus stretching truths into lies to fit their needs to sell airtime. Good journalism has gone by the wayside. Journalism today promotes the so called democratic way and denounces the truth when it meets their needs.
Sorry the NRA does not support whack jobs just hon... (show quote)


We are clearly on opposite sides of this debate. NRA stopping research into what, you ask? You clearly do not even know. Good journalism definitely still exists, except that it is denied by people that don't want verifiable information. We clearly live in a nation divided, which it appears Russia wishes exploit.

If you actually looked at the worldwide data, you would find that America has far worse gun deaths and injuries than any other western democracy. We certainly need to protect ourselves against fanatics, and terrorists, and also our own home grown nut jobs armed with guns when they lose it. Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people, and the NRA encourages that.

When it comes down to the TSA, they are doing a job, which may be less than perfect, but it helps. There are ways of traveling easily and safely. There are ways of traveling with guns and ammunition if needed or desired, or cameras. However, if you come to my neighborhood, leave your guns behind, we don't need another self righteous mentally unstable person armed with military class weaponry thank you. You could be the next Stephen Paddock, or Timothy McVeigh. There is no way that you can guarantee that you won't take a bad attitude and cause a problem. That is why we are in favor of 'responsible gun ownership'. There is no civilian need for an AR-15. The NRA is unable to define 'responsible gun ownership', and if that means taking guns away from people then so be it. Then we can concentrate on the bad guys that come from all creeds and colors.

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Mar 3, 2018 20:51:23   #
carl hervol Loc: jacksonville florida
 
There were doing this 10 years ago where have you been.

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Mar 3, 2018 21:49:27   #
julian.gang
 
Sorry...Julian

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Mar 3, 2018 22:13:02   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
Peterff wrote:
We are clearly on opposite sides of this debate. NRA stopping research into what, you ask? You clearly do not even know. Good journalism definitely still exists, except that it is denied by people that don't want verifiable information. We clearly live in a nation divided, which it appears Russia wishes exploit.

If you actually looked at the worldwide data, you would find that America has far worse gun deaths and injuries than any other western democracy. We certainly need to protect ourselves against fanatics, and terrorists, and also our own home grown nut jobs armed with guns when they lose it. Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people, and the NRA encourages that.

When it comes down to the TSA, they are doing a job, which may be less than perfect, but it helps. There are ways of traveling easily and safely. There are ways of traveling with guns and ammunition if needed or desired, or cameras. However, if you come to my neighborhood, leave your guns behind, we don't need another self righteous mentally unstable person armed with military class weaponry thank you. You could be the next Stephen Paddock, or Timothy McVeigh. There is no way that you can guarantee that you won't take a bad attitude and cause a problem. That is why we are in favor of 'responsible gun ownership'. There is no civilian need for an AR-15. The NRA is unable to define 'responsible gun ownership', and if that means taking guns away from people then so be it. Then we can concentrate on the bad guys that come from all creeds and colors.
We are clearly on opposite sides of this debate. N... (show quote)


The NRA does not encourage any of the things you mention nor will they. You must watch the wrong news shows if they tell you that the NRA does. As for responsible I have been in a police carry and then a civilian carry situation all of my life. I have a Criminal justice Degree as well as a Video/Audio degree. I have worked on the beginning stages of the current Drones used in warfare. I have also worked on the B52 gun sights. The Ar-15 is not the most lethal rifle out there. I have had extensive training in all forms of weapons before I turned 21 and your government paid for that training. I am a retired and have never stopped being the Marine that supports the Constitution of the USA which has a second Amendment devoted to keeping our country from being invaded and allowing citizens to own guns as you may call them. The USA has many gun laws on the books already and they have no effect on the criminal element which takes it upon itself to own as many illegal guns as they can when they need one. Obama and Hillary screwed during his first term. In the hopes of finding the drug lords sold them rifles and hand guns those same guns and rifles have been found in the streets of LA in the hands of the gangs that thrive in LA. LA, California, Chicago, Ill and New York City, New York have the toughest gun laws on the books and you will find they have the highest gun crimes of the USA in those cities so apparently more gun laws will not work. Taking rights from good citizens is not the answer. Prosecuting the criminal when a gun law is violated and every time a criminal uses a gun in any state to commit a crime is a federal offense. So ask yourself if your local police are turning that offense over to a federal court to prosecute is being done. I now it is skipped over in local courts here and elsewhere. Oh and I also have a few many more college classes that I never received a degree for. I got my concealed carry permit so that I could during the summer months go into the woods alone to photograph nature and not have to worry about the 4 legged coyote's that seem to be plentiful here not to mention the wild dog packs I have run into while hunting.

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Mar 3, 2018 22:50:49   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Peterff wrote:
if that means taking guns away from people then so be it. Then we can concentrate on the bad guys that come from all creeds and colors.


If you think that taking guns away from responsible citizens, who purchased their guns legally, will somehow eliminate crime committed by criminals, who obtain guns illegally, you have been brainwashed by propaganda my good friend.

And let me make it clear for you, I am not a gun owner and wouldn’t want one if you paid me.

Guess who disarmed the citizens in the past? The commies in the former eastern bloc countries. I don’t think that you would want that. This is America. You have the right to own guns. Not to mention, when you are in deep trouble, do you not call 911, who sends out people with guns? Lol Peter.

As far as your NRA, comment, I guess you are also of the belief, that Detroit encourages killing people? How about the alcohol industry? I sincerely don’t think that there is a “thing” that causes more damage than alcohol, including killing people.

Yet you are a drinker. And a driver.

Let’s end hypocrisy shall we?

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Mar 4, 2018 01:49:08   #
74images Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
kb6kgx wrote:
Precisely why there has only been one successful hijacking of an El Al airliner, which was in 1968 (“Flight 426”).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_426_hijacking


& El Al is Very, Very Careful with its Security, Passengers Almost have to go Through an FBI Investigation to Board One it's Planes, & they were the 1st Airline to my Understanding that Lock the Cockpit Doors so Terrorist couldn't Bust into the Cockpit to get to the Pilots!

Also here in L.A. in July 2002 Around the 4th of July, A Maniac Shot Up the El Al Ticket Counter At LAX's Tom Bradley Terminal, Killed a Couple of People, including a Ticket Agent, & was Taken Out by an El Al Security Officer Assigned to the El Al Ticket Counter.

El Al Don't Bull S**T Around on its Security, Always on the Guard 24-7!

74images

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Mar 4, 2018 08:18:33   #
PeterBergh
 
Peterff wrote:
... America has the worst gun violence record in the civilized world ...


This is not correct. US is certainly in the top 20, but nowhere near the top. The top spots are held by countries in Central and South America, to include Mexico. (Of course, if you consider the US the only civilized country, the quoted statement is vacuously true.)

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