Can anyone explain to me.. (Page 2): If you do what you always did, you will get what you always got. Why stricter gun laws? Because we have too many gun homicides. Study other...

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

If you do what you always did, you will get what you always got.
Why stricter gun laws? Because we have too many gun homicides. Study other countries and you'll find that the stricter the gun laws, the lower the homicide rate. This even carries over to states within the USA. California and New York, those places that you square state people hate have significantly lower homicide rates than places like Louisiana, Missouri and a host of other states with weak or no gun laws.
If you don't believe laws work, then I would ask, why are there laws against drunk driving, homicide or stealing. If laws don't work, we shouldn't have any laws at all.

Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.

Sjfh wrote:

....the rationale behind passing more and stricter gun laws?

How will additional laws keep weapons out of the hands of criminals who, by definition, disregard the law?

Are responsible gun owners to be feared? Does picking up a handful of metal transform one into a criminal? If so, how does that happen?

This argument has been gone over time and time again. Should you scrap all rape laws because rapists, by definition, disregard the law?
There are only two arguments against stricter gun laws:
1) I like playing with guns and don't want them taken away from me, and I doubt I'd pass the psychological testing.
2) I want to keep my guns in case of a zombie apocalypse.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Wellhiem wrote:

This argument has been gone over time and time again. Should you scrap all rape laws because rapists, by definition, disregard the law?
There are only two arguments against stricter gun laws:
1) I like playing with guns and don't want them taken away from me, and I doubt I'd pass the psychological testing.
2) I want to keep my guns in case of a zombie apocalypse.

This is quite typical of the reasoning that prevents serious contemplation and counterproductive to say the very least. I realize that we can't solve the problems here on the forum, but what reasonable people might consider a fruitful discussion is hardly plausible.

slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again

thom w wrote:

Responsible gun owners don't allow their guns to become "black market guns". I'm pretty sure most illegal guns, or "guns in the hands outlaws", once belonged to legal owners. Whether you hand your gun to a criminal or allow them to steal it, the results are the same. I'm not interested in coming after your gun. I do wish to keep "pro gun persons" honest.

And your source for "I'm pretty sure most illegal guns, or "guns in the hands outlaws", once belonged to legal owners"..........???

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

slocumeddie wrote:

And your source for "I'm pretty sure most illegal guns, or "guns in the hands outlaws", once belonged to legal owners"..........???

Arguing for the sake of arguing doesn't work either. Your privilege. And mine to sign off.

BasqueLady Loc: Woodburn OR

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1089/vio.2015.0049

This is a interesting study. The correlation between gun control and mental help services.

Sjfh

Wellhiem wrote:

This argument has been gone over time and time again. Should you scrap all rape laws because rapists, by definition, disregard the law?
There are only two arguments against stricter gun laws:
1) I like playing with guns and don't want them taken away from me, and I doubt I'd pass the psychological testing.
2) I want to keep my guns in case of a zombie apocalypse.

Enacting laws tokeep guns out of the hands of Law abiding citizens to prevent gun crime is the equivalent of banning sex to prevent rape

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Sjfh wrote:

....the rationale behind passing more and stricter gun laws?

How will additional laws keep weapons out of the hands of criminals who, by definition, disregard the law?

Are responsible gun owners to be feared? Does picking up a handful of metal transform one into a criminal? If so, how does that happen?

Have you seen any Tommyguns lately?

Sjfh

Twardlow wrote:

Have you seen any Tommyguns lately?

Centering the fact that I have no idea what that is I assume it’s safe to say that I haven’t. Does it answer my question?

BasqueLady Loc: Woodburn OR

The Tommy gun was the Thompson sub machine gun ( The assault rifle of the 1930) used by gangsters during prohibition.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Sjfh wrote:

Centering the fact that I have no idea what that is I assume it’s safe to say that I haven’t. Does it answer my question?

Thompson sub machine gun, cal. .45, the gun that made the twenties roar, and the Chicago typewriter.

Used to cost $200, sold in hardware stores, and only the bad guys wanted them; police and military couldn’t think of any use for them until the Chicago streets and St. Valentine’s Day massacre showed them.

Can’t find them now, legally anyway; I think they were legal, but with a 100% tax.

Don’t see any mass shooters using them, do you? Obviously not, since you hadn’t even heard of them.

Answers this question: “How will additional laws keep weapons out of the hands of criminals who, by definition, disregard the law?“

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

thom w wrote:

Effective laws will restrict the availability of guns to outlaws. Laws that don't rely on outlaws following laws. There are many possibilities

Really Thom, we already have laws that disallow felons to posses fire arms... Do you think that the gang bangers in our large cities are not for the most part already felons? What exactly are you proposing when you say effective laws will restrict the availability of guns to outlaws? Please explain.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Twardlow wrote:

Thompson sub machine gun, cal. .45, the gun that m... (show quote)

The military has used the gun for years, right through Viet Nam and special units thereafter. Guns registered prior to 1986 can be bought. Big bucks and registration fees to licensed persons.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Frank T wrote:

If you do what you always did, you will get what y... (show quote)

Not entirely true, Washington DC had over twenty murders per 100,in both 2015 and 2016, Delaware, Illinois and Maryland are among other blue states that have very high murder rates, Maryland has the great distinction of being the state other than Louisiana to have a double digit murder rate per 100,000 residents. If you study the demographics of murder it is not the gun policies but rather the economic conditions and to be quite honest the racial make up of the states that contribute to murder rates more so than gun laws or the lack there of. The reality is and this is confirmed by FBI statistics that black males commit almost 1/2 the murders in this country while only comprising about 6 1/2% of the population. This is not a comfortable thing to say, but facts are not always comfortable.

Sjfh

Twardlow wrote:

Thompson sub machine gun, cal. .45, the gun that m... (show quote)

You’re missing the key part of the equation: desire to own.