Canon DxOmark scores ???? (Page 2): I completely agree. I'm a Canon shooter myself. However, the topic was about why DXO rates Canon cameras lower then others, and I believe its...

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

tdekany wrote:

I guess you can check the numbers for higher iso results and compare the 2 brands. I’m not saying that there is no difference between the best Nikon vs canon, but I think that difference in real life is not going to brake the canon shooter.

Especially for us, aka “guy with a camera”, we should be more concerned with composition, light and subject matter.

I completely agree. I'm a Canon shooter myself. However, the topic was about why DXO rates Canon cameras lower then others, and I believe its primarily due to the results of their sensor testing. Can we agree on that?

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

mwsilvers wrote:

I completely agree. I'm a Canon shooter myself. However, the topic was about why DXO rates Canon cameras lower then others, and I believe its primarily due to the results of their sensor testing. Can we agree on that?

The question is whether they are testing something that is actually there.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

mwsilvers wrote:

I completely agree. I'm a Canon shooter myself. However, the topic was about why DXO rates Canon cameras lower then others, and I believe its primarily due to the results of their sensor testing. Can we agree on that?

I would guess that they test lower because they measure lower

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

rehess wrote:

The question is whether they are testing something that is actually there.

Again, that's a different discussion. I am responding to the OP's question about DXO's Canon camera ratings, and they are mostly a result of their sensor tests, regardless of how significant they may be in real world shooting.

repleo Loc: Boston

mwsilvers wrote:

I completely agree. I'm a Canon shooter myself. However, the topic was about why DXO rates Canon cameras lower then others, and I believe its primarily due to the results of their sensor testing. Can we agree on that?

Yes, I would agree. DxO even refers to the score sheet as their 'Sensor Database.'

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

tdekany wrote:

I would guess that they test lower because they measure lower

Agree, and that I believe is the answer to the OP's question. As to whether the difference is significant in real world shooting, well that would be a contentious discussion I wouldn't want to get in to. Suffice it to say, I am a Canon shooter and am in no hurry to move to Nikon because their sensors may test better at lower ISO's

tdekany Loc: Oregon

mwsilvers wrote:

Agree, and that I believe is the answer to the OP's question. As to whether the difference is significant in real world shooting, well that would be a contentious discussion I wouldn't want to get in to. Suffice it to say, I am a Canon shooter and am in no hurry to move to Nikon because their sensors may test better at lower ISO's

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

mwsilvers wrote:

Again, that's a different discussion. I am responding to the OP's question about DXO's Canon camera ratings, and they are mostly a result of their sensor tests, regardless of how significant they may be in real world shooting.

If the tests are accurate, then you would have to assess whether they matter in a particular context.

Many of Nikon's "sports monster" cameras test poorly in 'Landscape' {Dynamic Range"}; my theory is that is why they also test lower than one would expect in 'Sports' {Dynamic Range may be the first test to fail as they raise ISO}. I guess whether that is important depends on what you plan to do with the camera.

repleo Loc: Boston

tdekany wrote:

I would guess that they test lower because they measure lower

mwsilvers wrote:

Agree, and that I believe is the answer to the OP's question. As to whether the difference is significant in real world shooting, well that would be a contentious discussion I wouldn't want to get in to. Suffice it to say, I am a Canon shooter and am in no hurry to move to Nikon because their sensors may test better at lower ISO's

Comparing Canon 5D Mk IV to other 30mpx (+/-) cameras - Pentak K1, Sony A7R and Nikon 810 the Canon does lag behind the others a little bit in each category except ISO (margianally better than some of them. I was surprised that it was behind in color depth. I would have thought that that is where the Canon would shine.
That leads to the second part of my question. If Canon is behind in sensor technology why are they so popular with top photographers. I've looked at some of their top models in the store and I found them very big and heavy and they had more buttons than an accordion. I could never remember what they are all for. Is it because of the L lenses or some other indefinable quality.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

repleo wrote:

Why do Canon cameras score so low on DxOmark ? I only see one Canon in the top twenty (5DMark IV) and only two in the top thirty. I know Canon makes great cameras that produce outstanding results in the right hands and I know there is more to a great camera than a DxOmark score. But, why such poor scores, and why are Canon so popular with top of the line photographers.?

This is not a knock on Canon - just trying to understand what appears to be an anomaly.

Read this, it’s a few years old now but I’m sure it’s as valid now as then!!!
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/do-you-believe-in-dxomark.html
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rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

repleo wrote:

If Canon is behind in sensor technology why are they so popular with top photographers. I've looked at some of their top models in the store and I found them very big and heavy and they had more buttons than an accordion. I could never remember what they are all for. Is it because of the L lenses or some other indefinable quality.

Their EF lenses are special.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

repleo wrote:

If Canon is behind in sensor technology why are they so popular with top photographers.

That should tell you about the importance of dxo results. Top photographers are not going to use second best gear.

Haydon

repleo wrote:

Comparing Canon 5D Mk IV to other 30mpx (+/-) came... (show quote)

The bigger picture suggests that there is more to a camera than merely a sensor that being an implemented wide selection of lenses, reliability, and support when something goes wrong with your rig. Apart from Canon's CPS, Nikon is the only comparable with their NPS service. To date none of the others can offer that level of professionalism and having a camera fixed and returned in a minimal of time is paramount to a professional.

I've been a member of CPS for the last year and the one time I have used their service, I was treated in an extraordinary way. I'm sure there are exceptions but I personally haven't been dissatisfied with Canon's attentiveness.

Every system has it's strengths and weaknesses but what counts is the whole and not a finite facet.

TSHDGTL

The problem with Canon is noise in shadow recovery. Canon's do well at high iso but not so well at base iso and shadow recovery. This link will show extreme shadow recovery. You can change cameras, change iso and move the target around. https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr134_0=canon_eos5dmkiii&attr134_1=canon_eos5dmkiv&a_eos5dsr&attr136_0=1&attr136_1=1&attr136_2=1&attr136_3=1&attr176_0=off&attr176_1=off&attr176_2=off&attr176_3=off&normalization=compare&widget=268&x=0.08508454&y=0.111101083

mikedidi46 Loc: WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA

I do not follow DXO i let my eyes tell me what looks good. I find them to be not friends of CANON