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Feb 27, 2017 19:03:16   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
Dbrogers wrote:
A little bit discouraged with the Tamron 150-600 G2 lens. Just recently sold my Sigma 150-600 contemporary lens for the new Tamron. Wondering if anyone else with this combination of lens and camera is having problems with focusing? I'm trying to shoot wildlife, ducks and geese in there migration using continues focusing as I always have, auto ISO, shutter priority with anywhere from 1250-4000 shutter speed, I've tried VC on, off I've tried about everything I can think of. In continues focusing it seems it never focuses and locks on. Everything seems very soft or just not focused. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
A little bit discouraged with the Tamron 150-600 G... (show quote)


I have that same lens and haven't had that trouble. Now on my Nikon 55-300 mm lens, my walking around lens, I sometimes have to put it on manual focus to keep it from jumping back and fourth.

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Feb 27, 2017 19:13:30   #
crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada
 
Apaflo wrote:
VC does nothing for the image at shutter speeds that fast, but might help you frame the image a little easier.

If you are using AF-C it is not supposed to lock focus, ever. That is what you want for birds that are or may start to fly. You want "Focus priority" as opposed to "Release priority". Also the fewer focus points the quicker and more definitive the tracking will be, but also the more likely it will be lost. Often it is a trade off, sometimes it works well and then misses the next shot...

Test sharpness on a non-moving object to see if it can focus sharply. If it does that well enough the question is if it is focused when you shoot (Focus priority should ensure that) or if you just have too much camera motion.
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Actually, my experience with VC on (IS on in Canon) will cause the image in viewfinder to "jump around" as you try to track a far away, fast moving object versus help "frame the image"....and at shutter speeds you are describing...VC does not add any value. When shooting at 600mm, VC will constantly try to stabilize and as you track...you will be fighting the VC system. Switch it off. I agree with everything else said...(and I could be wrong...perhaps VC is better than IS )

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Feb 28, 2017 01:34:10   #
DougS Loc: Central Arkansas
 
Those last four posts cracked me up, due to the fact that I live in Arkansas, and just returned from our first winter trip to Alaska Feb. 07, going as far north as Atigan Pass. I think I can identify with both posts at least a little, or a lot. Here, we had never heard of 'bunny boots', and I had never used hand warmers, (tip: for you folks going way north in the winter, use adhesive body warmers in the toes AND heels, between two layers of wool socks!!!). Although it gets down to zero at my home, nothing like the windy -35 we experienced as we entered Alaska. It really is two completely different worlds, both are fascinating, interesting, beautiful, completely different, and hard (impossible?) to relate to if you come from one, and never experience the other, even if only for a brief time. Apaflo, think tornados, snakes, and traffic jams. I wish we here could relate better to northern Alaska's. As Apaflo stated: The value systems are different because the physical and natural environment is not the same. And then here are all those people...
p.s. I like/use my Garmin AND a paper road map! Both are indispensable for a long road trip.
I also am having an issue with my lens focus... and have spent many hours trying to find out the source of the problem. Nikon D7000, hence my interest in this subject. Thanks for everyone's imput.

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Feb 28, 2017 02:29:17   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
DougS wrote:
... Apaflo, think tornados, snakes, and traffic jams. I wish we here could relate better to northern Alaska's. As Apaflo stated: The value systems are different because the physical and natural environment is not the same. And then here are all those people...

You nailed it! I don't sleep well when the wind is over 50MPH, and a tornado scares me. So do snakes. I don't care for crowds and traffic is downright scary (I was the senior medic for an ambulance squad, and have scraped dead bodies off the road).

A guy here who came from Hawaii a decade ago once decided he was going back. I warned him he'd be back in less than six months because the first time he got caught in a traffic jam that would be it. Three months later he called me on his cell phone from a traffic jam moving about 5 miles a hour. On the next plane he was home forever... : - )

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Feb 28, 2017 07:54:29   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Lance Pearson wrote:
Nice images. I never using the techniques you said or tripods and remote releases got results that good with the Tamron.


But you can - that lens is quite sharp - at least as good as the Sigma Sport.

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Feb 28, 2017 09:29:14   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Apaflo wrote:
Odd that first you make snarky remarks about a technically correct response, and then demonstrate that you don't even understand what happens.

It is not a case of an error exposing "in the middle of a VR correction movement". That is exactly what is supposed to happen!

The problem is a shutter speed faster than the Nyquist rate provides invalid data to generate the right amount of correction movement. The movement, while the shutter is open, will not be in sync and 180 degrees out of phase with the camera shake.
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Not being snarky in the least. You obviously know the intimate details of how this all works - so write the damn article already and teach us something.

AKA shooting in the middle of correction - in layman's terms is exactly what I described. Your answer, though technically correct, is incomplete - there is sampling frequency, amplitude and vector of the motion, system response lag time, and the statistics used to measure effectiveness, which as you should know, will vary widely from system to system and from photographer to photographer - to mention a few. I am not a lens designer, but I don't have to be to understand the underlying concepts. There is lots more to this than you represent in your short response about the one aspect of stabilization that you have a good grasp of. All of it affects optical stabilization performance, and why as the shutter speeds get faster the image quality can go down. Get out of the trees so you can see the forest. The view is much better.

And yes, allowing a VR/OS/IS system to "settle down" or stabilize after being implemented will improve your results. An image taken when the elements are moving around are never going to be in focus - that's just common sense, Floyd.

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Feb 28, 2017 10:31:25   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Gene51 wrote:
... An image taken when the elements are moving around are never going to be in focus - that's just common sense, Floyd.

All that snark, and ambiguous obfuscation, but in the end it comes down to this one incorrect statement repeating the same obvious and illogical misunderstanding you posted previously. Take some time to actually think about how vibration reduction works. Post about that, and leave emotional rants about me out of it.

Common sense will tell it is the opposite of what you state quoted above: the lens elements must be moving when the exposure is made. That movement has to precisely counter the camera movement.

There is no point in discussing other details until the significance of that is fully understood.

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Feb 15, 2018 23:22:38   #
Mike Jackson Loc: Jackson Hole, WY
 
I see people going to my old blog post: https://www.bestofthetetons.com/2017/02/26/tamron-150-600mm-g2-lens-my-experiences/ The post on the site now is the second version.

Tamron replaced my first copy of the 150-600mm G2 after I sent it in and after it still didn't work. The replacement lens worked much, much better right out of the box. The Rep suggested I send my D5 and the new lens to the service center to have the lens micro adjusted to the body. I've been using it regularly since, and updated the blog post after pairing the lens and body.

The rule of thumb I work under now is to turn VC off when on a tripod regardless of shutter speed. And, as others have suggested, I don't use VC on shutter speeds over 1/500th of a second. Most of my wildlife shots are at 1/1000 second to 1/1600 second if I can get enough light, so again, no VC on or off the tripod. The VC Mode#2 (panning mode) seldom gets used (birds in flight) because the shutter speeds are usually too high. The Rep suggested using Mode 3 for most times I actually use VC...limited to shooting at slower speeds out the window of my truck. On a Nikon D5, I typically use Manual Mode to set the shutter speed and aperture, then turn on Auto ISO. I seldom shoot above F/9 and despite conventional wisdom, get good images when wide open. When photographing subjects like Mountain Goats that usually stand fairly still, I try several different settings. On my D5, I see a considerable slow down of the frame rate with VC on.

If you can stand to be without your lens and body for a couple of weeks, I'd definitely suggest sending them in.

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