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Feb 15, 2018 11:47:57   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
TriX wrote:
Of all my equipment, the vast majority, but not all, has been purchased used - mostly from my local camera store ( a plug for Southeastern camera in Raleigh, NC), but occasionally on UHH, Ebay and even locally from Craigslist. I shop carefully and have never (yet) been disappointed. I calculate I’ve paid about an average of 60% of the retail value which has allowed me to build up an inventory I could not have afforded buying new.


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YES!

I, as well, have a local camera shop (SCHILLER'S Camera) ((and we do have two (2) camera stores)) IS the best choice, for me and almost every professional photographer in the Saint Louis, Missouri area.

I have bought 99% of my lenses (Used) from Schillers - and One Brand Spanking NEW one (Tamron 150-600) from them = In Fact when B&H had a waiting list going I ask one of the fine sales people to "Please let me know when the Tamron arrives" -- And They Did just that - I became the first photographer in the STL area to own a Tamron 150 - 600 -- And B&H still had a waiting list going on). Also, I bought a new 5D Mark II from them. And three other used Canons. (They can to mail order.) ((That is a plug.))

OK back to the point of Used and New....

IF you know the person who is selling the item of your desire and can trust them = Go For It. If You are buying for something like online (i.e. - E-Bay) make SURE to ask a LOT of questions. I must say, that having a brick and mortar store is the best - but nowadays - they are becoming fewer and fewer.

So.....

If you know the seller - and you really - REALLY want THAT particular item, and that item would be a good purchase at the price given, Yeah!!! Go For It.

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Feb 15, 2018 12:33:23   #
Logan1949
 
DMerg10 wrote:
Is it better to spend your money on high quality used equipment or buy the best new equipment possible on the same budget?


Yes and yes. I have always bought new because I could afford it. But some of the new stuff I bought is unusable (e.g. 2 cheap Opteka lenses). It is okay to buy Used (from quality vendors), or refurbished like new quality equipment, or new quality equipment. That said, it all depends on what you want in the way of pictures. I started my journey by reading. My goal was, and still is, 24x36 inch prints at 300 dpi (this implies 80 megapixels, but I did not know there was such a thing as Medium Format cameras until a year later). If you are satisfied with good looking pictures under 8.5x11 inches then most modern lenses will work for you. If you want to take Birds In Flight (BIF) then you need fast continuous Auto Focus. If you want pictures in dim light, you need a quality (larger) High ISO sensor and "fast" large apertures like f/1.4, 1.8, 2.8 etc.; these lenses are more expensive than f/4 to f/6 lenses.

I was impressed with the then-new Sony A7 series of cameras and bought a small Sony point & shoot with the same BIONZ processor because it was on sale for $99. With that camera, I learned the importance of correct white-balance. Then I bought a Sony A7ii, and then an A7Rii. At the same time, I love to reach out and zoom-in a lot. It was much cheaper to buy the Sony HX400V bridge camera ($450) with a 24-1200 equivalent zoom lens than to try to match that reach on an Interchangeable lens camera. (It still cannot be done.) And some of the pictures I have taken with that 20mp camera I can print at 13x19 inches and they look as good as pictures taken with the A7Rii camera. The weaknesses of the HX400V are: 1. Because of the tiny sensor, it does not work well in dim light (without the built-in flash), and 2. It only shoots JPEG, not RAW. Now I also have the Sony RX10iii (and the new RX10iv is even better with faster autofocus). With a 1" sensor, it does well even in medium light, and it can shoot RAW files, but its lens only zooms 24-600mm. But the cost was $1300.

Basically, you need to know what you want as an end result of your picture taking. How many pixels high & wide for the Web, for photo albums, for large gallery prints or what? (I am working toward large gallery prints, 4x6 feet for example.) And you need to know what you are shooting: Action, sports, still scenes, snapshots, Outdoors, Indoors, bright light, dim light? What? (I shoot still things in natural light.) Keeping that in mind, read a lot of reviews or articles (google etc.) about "the best camera for shooting ...". But don't always believe what you read in magazines. Popular Photography (now defunct) and Shutterbug are mostly promoting their advertiser's products, so they use vague abstract adjectives like "excellent" instead of concrete measurable numbers. I don't recall Popular Photography ever mentioning Medium Format cameras, but Shutterbug did.

One of my favorite HX400V pictures:


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Feb 15, 2018 12:41:35   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
rmalarz wrote:
Unlike a lot of folks will probably do, I'm not going to tell you what to purchase. I'll just say that if you purchase used equipment from a highly reputable company, you'll probably get more bang for your buck. Most of the big name camera companies have a used department. The big camera store names, B and H, Adorama, etc., are also a good source of high quality used equipment.

Although funded as a birthday present, I purchased a used camera for about 1/2 of what it cost new. When it arrived it looked brand new, even though it has been used a bit. It's worked perfectly since. To think about purchasing a new one would be out of the question. So, it's a top of the line, almost brand new at a very good price. So, think about purchasing high end used, but from a high end dealer.
--Bob
Unlike a lot of folks will probably do, I'm not go... (show quote)





I have NEVER had a problem with manufacturer refurbished equipment. Refurbished equipment (for most manufacturers) is checked to make sure is meets the ALL original specs. Often new equipment is only spot checked as part of general quality control. Fully checking every piece of equipment would be very expensive and drive up the price. This means that you NEW camera was "maybe" checked for a few items, but maybe not. Your refurbished camera was checked out completely.

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Feb 15, 2018 13:02:20   #
Hbuk66 Loc: Oswego, NY
 
Do research, compare, make a decision, try to find very good used...

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Feb 15, 2018 13:30:13   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
DMerg10 wrote:
Figured I would throw this out there as an amateur who is still learning and have recently been asking this question to myself a lot. A couple things about me that are important. First of all I have always liked shiny and new and second I am on a very limited budget.

Is it better to spend your money on high quality used equipment or buy the best new equipment possible on the same budget?


Depends. If I can get a mint Nikon 200-400 for 1/2 the cost of new then yea, I did that. Camera bodies get sold after 2 years use so I usually buy them new. One year under warranty, then about a year later I sell it. So, for me it's about the deal. That 200-400 got sold two years later on EBay for about $500.00 less than when I bought it. So, in essence I rented the lens for two years for $500.00.

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Feb 15, 2018 15:15:26   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
I bought my D7100 new, as well as the B700, all my lenses and the D800, and K=7 are used I really could not tell the difference as all look new after using the equipment for quite a while I find there is no difference in new vs used as long as you take your time to get informed on the price you are buying and then buy from a reputable company such as B&H, Adorama, KEH, Cameta and there are more. Many have bought refurbished here and I sure would not hesitate to go that route also as then you get a good warranty and know the piece has been gone over before putting it on the sales shelf.
DMerg10 wrote:
Figured I would throw this out there as an amateur who is still learning and have recently been asking this question to myself a lot. A couple things about me that are important. First of all I have always liked shiny and new and second I am on a very limited budget.

Is it better to spend your money on high quality used equipment or buy the best new equipment possible on the same budget?

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Feb 15, 2018 15:40:06   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
(My goal was, and still is, 24x36 inch prints at 300 dpi (this implies 80 megapixels, but I did not know there was such a thing as Medium Format cameras until a year later). If you are satisfied with good looking pictures under 8.5x11 inches then most modern lenses will work for you.)

I don't know I have printed many photos at 20x24 and would be hard pressed to tell the difference in quality over medium format (I have shot quite a bit with medium format film cameras over the years but have not yet tried a digital MF though I sure would like to rent one just for fun. Most poster sized prints are meant to be viewed from a distance not close up so the eye should not be able to see a difference from that distance, if the reason you wish to shoot medium format is just the print size that may be a waste of spendable cash in your pocket which at least for me could be spent elsewhere.

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Feb 15, 2018 15:42:58   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
illininitt wrote:
Get a Canon T7I with a touch-screen and be set for life. I bid for a new T7I body on greentoe.com and it was accepted. Take the $$$ you save and go to Hawaii on Southwest (they start flying there next year.) Fares will be "dirt-cheap" to start.....and 2 bags fly free! If you don't like how the pictures (24 mp) come out....hit the "trashcan" button and move on. Life is too short!

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Feb 15, 2018 16:20:11   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
I have new, used, and refurbished. No problems or repairs with either.

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Feb 15, 2018 19:18:45   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
rmalarz wrote:
Unlike a lot of folks will probably do, I'm not going to tell you what to purchase. I'll just say that if you purchase used equipment from a highly reputable company, you'll probably get more bang for your buck. Most of the big name camera companies have a used department. The big camera store names, B and H, Adorama, etc., are also a good source of high quality used equipment.

Although funded as a birthday present, I purchased a used camera for about 1/2 of what it cost new. When it arrived it looked brand new, even though it has been used a bit. It's worked perfectly since. To think about purchasing a new one would be out of the question. So, it's a top of the line, almost brand new at a very good price. So, think about purchasing high end used, but from a high end dealer.
--Bob
Unlike a lot of folks will probably do, I'm not go... (show quote)




Don

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Feb 15, 2018 19:45:44   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
TriX wrote:
Of all my equipment, the vast majority, but not all, has been purchased used - mostly from my local camera store ( a plug for Southeastern camera in Raleigh, NC), but occasionally on UHH, Ebay and even locally from Craigslist. I shop carefully and have never (yet) been disappointed. I calculate I’ve paid about an average of 60% of the retail value which has allowed me to build up an inventory I could not have afforded buying new.


I second the local shop in Raleigh, Southeastern Camera.

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Feb 16, 2018 00:01:32   #
DMerg10 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Thanks all for the responses. I just purchased my first Canon L lens used and for half the cost I couldn't tell when I opened it that it wasn't new. It should serve me well to get me past the shiny and new complex:)

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Feb 16, 2018 06:23:37   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
I have three NIKON F models, an F2, an F3, and FM, an F4s and a D7200 that I bought used and have never had an issue ... in fact still have them all.

I did buy an N8008s and a D50 new, can't remember why ... still have them also.

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Feb 16, 2018 08:03:31   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
terry44 wrote:
I bought my D7100 new, as well as the B700, all my lenses and the D800, and K=7 are used I really could not tell the difference as all look new after using the equipment for quite a while I find there is no difference in new vs used as long as you take your time to get informed on the price you are buying and then buy from a reputable company such as B&H, Adorama, KEH, Cameta and there are more. Many have bought refurbished here and I sure would not hesitate to go that route also as then you get a good warranty and know the piece has been gone over before putting it on the sales shelf.
I bought my D7100 new, as well as the B700, all my... (show quote)


Good point regarding the camera. I got an 80D refurb. However, I got one of the first ones on the Refurb market direct from Canon, so it did not have that much use. I too would hesitate on a refurbished camera body that has been on the market for several years. Lenses, however, are a great deal refurbished.

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Feb 17, 2018 00:25:37   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Good point regarding the camera. I got an 80D refurb. However, I got one of the first ones on the Refurb market direct from Canon, so it did not have that much use. I too would hesitate on a refurbished camera body that has been on the market for several years. Lenses, however, are a great deal refurbished.



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