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Why Would Anyone Buy A Cropped Sensor, Over A Full Framed Camera?
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Feb 15, 2018 10:51:39   #
Raz Theo Loc: Music City
 
Feiertag wrote:
Just curious!

Is it possible we're being a tad disingenuous here; a stroll thru your website suggests there is little that confounds you about the art.

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Feb 15, 2018 10:52:02   #
Selene03
 
My two main cameras are both ff. However, I enjoy photographing birds from a kayak. I bought an inexpensive crop camera because I didn't want to subject $3000.00+ cameras to salt water. So, I suppose you could say it is money. I did find out, however, that I could get wonderful photographs of birds with a 70-300 on that crop sensor camera because of the illusion produced by the crop factor. I also decided I like the small size and weight of the camera when I was traveling on business and didn't want to bother with the larger heavier camera gear. Some of the best safari photos I have seen also came from a 7d mk II because of that illusion produced by the crop factor. I have also seen crop sensor cameras recommended for astrophotography (7d mk ii and nikon 5600), so I think yes, a lot of people get crop sensor cameras because they are less expensive (sometimes) but also because of the size and weight and the fact that they are particularly well-suited to some situations. I also have a sony rx100 v that I carry with me when I think a pocket camera would be the wisest choice (I have visited places and wanted to photograph in places where you really don't want to be seen with expensive looking camera equipment).

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Feb 15, 2018 10:52:56   #
daddypud Loc: Florida
 
I had a Canon 1ds mkIII and it was a great camera no doubt about it and had canon lens 500mm f4, canon 100mm f 2.8 macro, canon 16-35 f4 L,
canon 24-70 f 2.8 LII canon 300mm f4 and some off brands mostly tokina as liked there pro quality and they had a few good lens one that was fun was the 11-16 f2.8, and many of the huge tripods and bags and various accessory equipment to go along with it, 1.5 teleconverter was great with 500mm for birds
I am 64 years old and have developed a serious arthritis issue and had been accumulating this equipment over a period of time for retirement and travel with my wife, my wife passed away 2 1/2 years ago and I lost interest for a while and then got back into it, and reevaluated all my stuff, I decided I needed a pack mule to carry everything around and decided to go for a full change up, first sold the 500mm and with the money from that was able to go online and go used with ebay and bought Olympus OMD-EM1, Olympus pro lens 12-40 f2.8/40-150mm f2.8/300mm f2.8 and also a 1.4 teleconverter a 60mm f2.8 macro lens 17mm f1.8 and a great smaller crumpler back pack it all fit in flashes small carbon fiber tripod and a few other toys and had money left over, this back pack allowed me to carry many things on trips and not have to deal with airlines and worry about equipment and was easy to carry around, I sold everything else and was able to pay for a dream bucket list trip me and my wife dreamed about to Africa, it was a great trip with a Canon sponsored guide who grew up in Africa got to see all the big 5 plus a 12 day bush type trip each person had there own seat to themselves and only 2 vehicles per trip on private preserve, everyone there had there big Canon and Nikon stuff me my little micro 4/3s stuff, we did photo reviews everyday and most were stunned with my photos even the canon sponsor guy who borrowed it a couple of times to try himself, they are tools and a good photo is done by the artist and the best tool is the one you can use not the mine is bigger than yours argument, one area I will admit is the biggest issue is in extreme low light where they still cannot compete with full frame, I have some stunning large prints hanging on my wall with this little camera,

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Feb 15, 2018 10:59:09   #
Brent Rowlett Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Feiertag wrote:
Just curious!



The new Canon 80D with tap screen and follow focus (with cropped censor) is one of the best little video cameras on the market, light weight, and with an inexpensive 10-18mm IS lens ($279) is the best value on the market. With a 1.6 crop factor, using the 10mm lens gives me the equivalent of the 16mm real estate lens I use for the full frame camera. I can shoot video with my big babies but the focus is permanently set as I pan and move. Video quality matches my $4000 cameras and it shoots slow motion 59fps right out of the camera. With tap screen focus, wildlife shots are seldom missed, and real estate interior focusing is a breeze on the fly.

Second, if you like to shoot wild life, the crop censor increases the focal length of all your lenses substantially. You don't have to waste money on a 400mm lens that you may rarely use when you already have a 70-200 for your full frame censor cameras.

Third, the camera is 2 lbs.3 oz unlike my 6 and 7 pound tanks to lug around and try to steady on a GlideCam.

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Feb 15, 2018 11:03:18   #
ILFarmer
 
I am a farmer. I am typical in that I have lived poor and will die very wealthy. When I plant corn, I have a camera in the tractor with me. When we harvest, I have cameras in each of 3 trucks. I have a camera that lives on the transmission hump of my pick up truck and cameras that live in each car. None of them are full scensored. When we travel one camera I have with me is the Nikon P900. Unless you carry a large container of lenses with you, I can get pictures you cannot get.

It is the history of electronics that they are constantly better, faster, and cheaper. I assume that is also true of camera sensors. Perhaps at some time in the future, a full framed camera will only be seen in museums.

You buy what you want and I'll buy what I want and we will both be happy.

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Feb 15, 2018 11:10:32   #
Clapperboard
 
Chris T There is far more to an informed choice here than just cost.

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Feb 15, 2018 11:12:32   #
jaycoffman Loc: San Diego
 
At a time when many of us are struggling with weight issues as we travel in really rugged areas we are going the other way and looking at mirrorless cameras as well as our DSLRs. So, going full frame is the wrong direction for us. Also, I tend to shoot wildlife and moving subjects at a distance so the extra reach without extra weight mitigates in favor of a cropped frame camera. Finally, while I'm sure on a very technical level you get better IQ with a full frame the most recent crop frame cameras still give excellent quality. I could afford full frame but see no reason to at this time. My needs may change and I'll revisit the issue.

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Feb 15, 2018 11:13:00   #
dat2ra Loc: Sacramento
 
On the crop vs. full-frame question, not only is the camera cheaper, the lenses are too. When I bought my first dslr (Nikon D300), I knew that I would eventually want to upgrade to full frame, so bought those lenses. They did not help the outtakes from the D300 much, but once I did buy the full frame, the lenses were already there.

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Feb 15, 2018 11:23:02   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
I could afford a used D750. But, I can't afford the FX lenses. I suppose I could settle for a one only lens, the FX 28-300mm, which is a good lens all around. But, who just wants one lens, when I already have a couple of zoom DX lenses ranging 18 to 300mm. And two prime lenses of f1.8. Full frame photography gear is not a cheap. Even new owners of the D850 have FX lenses already.. A head start from the jump.

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Feb 15, 2018 11:26:37   #
Brent Rowlett Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
It is important to buy the camera for how you intend to use it. If one intends to display large prints with detail, the medium format camera with far larger censor will never be equaled.

However if images less than 11x14 are desired, most FF censor cameras are over kill. And if you are not capable of taking images good enough to sell, this whole discussion is simply mental masterbation. Cell phones are taking excellent pictures today and it would be hard to identify the camera censor for 8x10 images.

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Feb 15, 2018 11:27:29   #
mrtaxi Loc: Old Westbury NY, Fort Lauderdale, FL
 
Cost, weight, size

FF camera are way more expensive
FF camera lenses are required for FF cameras. They generally cost a lot more and weigh more then crop sensor lenses. Canon L series lenses have their best glass. Sigma Art series for FF also are great but also cost and weigh more. (FF lenses can be used on crop sensor but not Visa versa)

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Feb 15, 2018 11:34:35   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Raz Theo wrote:
Is it possible we're being a tad disingenuous here; a stroll thru your website suggests there is little that confounds you about the art.
Cheers.

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Feb 15, 2018 11:47:38   #
Kuzano
 
Chris T wrote:
Most full frame cameras are up around two grand ... some are over three grand ...

By contrast, most APS-C cameras are $500 to around $1200 max ...

You can still pick up a Pentax K-50 (one of the best low-price DSLRs out there) for around $200 (body only) ....

It's all about the money ... nothing else ....

You can buy USED FF DSLRs around $600 ... but, you take a chance ... wouldn't you rather have brand new - for the same money?

BTW ... the Nikon D5 is $6500 ... a Nikon D5600 (the top-of-the-line Advanced Amateur DSLR, not counting the Pro-Level D500, or Prosumer D7500, D7200 or D7100) is just $650 ... that's ONE TENTH of the cost of a D5 ... enough said?
Most full frame cameras are up around two grand ..... (show quote)


Actually, Canon 5D 12.1 Mp FF DSLR's (Their first and good) often sell from $200 ro $400. The MKII 5D often start at $400 and are 23 MP..... just one MP less than the MKIII 5D

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Feb 15, 2018 11:53:05   #
Raz Theo Loc: Music City
 
Feiertag wrote:
You are just being silly with your flippant remark. It was a simple question, no more, no less. Btw, I looked at your photos! No comment.


Can't recognize a compliment, eh? And I have no clue what photos you might be referring to.
Still, a nice website with a lot of impressive images (I reckon I should have spelled it out).

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Feb 15, 2018 11:54:57   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
$$$$, maybe. I have both DSLR and Mirrorless as well as compact cameras. Money was never a consideration, however, size, weight and quality are. Since purchasing several mirrorless cameras my large Nikon DSLR FF kit stays at home. I will likely sell it, body, lenses & accessories if I don't use this summer. While compacts are not providing the very best IQ, the mirrorless are. For me it is all the above and how much fun I have using the camera. Some strengths of the mirrorless I use are its controls, they are manual dials, no fussy monochrome screens with menus to deal with. All in all a very visceral experience that is taking me back in time to when I so enjoyed photography. The IQ of some mirrorless cameras easily matches many FF DSLRs. I do not blow photos up to billboard status where there may be some differences so that equation is a "wash" for me. In the end, it is not $$$, it is personal preference period. Lighter, smaller footprint, great IQ, easier to handle and travel with and the fun factor are the decisive points for me. Each to their own.

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