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Feb 14, 2018 13:30:51   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
mrpentaxk5ii wrote:
This is my last comment that I will make in regards to my post, I made simple suggestions that any photographer that cares about teaching new people how to get better as photographers and I catch hell for it, while so many people post useless garbage questions that people learn nothing from and no one takes them to task. I see a lot of people that can't even decide what type of lens to take on a trip or people ask what settings do I need to shoot this that and the other thing, these are things so easy to learn, yet it seems so many people are clueless. Photography is not rocket science, but if you can't learn or take advice, you will never learn the answers to the questions you seek. This is going to be my last attempt of posting any thing that should be helpful to people on this site, it's just not worth the time. UHH can have all the Chris T's it wants, the list seems to be growing.
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Catch hell? I personally don’t want newcomers to be misled that a good photo depends on tech.

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Feb 14, 2018 14:01:29   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
“Variety” in one’s photography is probably a term that means different things to different photographers. I for one, might be thought to lack variety, in that I tend to focus on a few favorite subjects, and I purposely process my images with a certain look (style, if you will) in mind. However, I do understand, and agree with some of the points made by the OP.

Many photographers could benefit from learning to consciously “work the scene” more than they do currently. When I shoot, I often spend time in the beginning moving about, shooting different angles, elevations, cropping, etc. until I see something on my led screen that I think works the best. Then I set up my tripod and fine tune the composition. I purposefully try to avoid simply setting up my gear in the most convenient place, always at eye level height, and snapping away. I do believe that this approach pays off with better and more refined compositions in the long run. And I am one who believes that composition is the key to good photography.

As to use of different shooting modes, I certainly think that it is to any photographer’s benefit to be familiar with, and knowledgeable about such modes, as doing so increases one’s ability to better capture images under a wider variety of conditions.

As to WB, I find this to be more of a minor concern than others. That may be because my “style” involves a lot of manipulation of specific color saturations (as opposed to global saturation adjustments), so auto white balance is often sufficient for my needs. In some cases, I will set a custom white balance if I think it will be beneficial under the specific lighting conditions, but it is not a factor I pay attention to as much as other factors.

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Feb 14, 2018 14:32:07   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
“Variety” in one’s photography is probably a term that means different things to different photographers. I for one, might be thought to lack variety, in that I tend to focus on a few favorite subjects, and I purposely process my images with a certain look (style, if you will) in mind. However, I do understand, and agree with some of the points made by the OP.

Many photographers could benefit from learning to consciously “work the scene” more than they do currently. When I shoot, I often spend time in the beginning moving about, shooting different angles, elevations, cropping, etc. until I see something on my led screen that I think works the best. Then I set up my tripod and fine tune the composition. I purposefully try to avoid simply setting up my gear in the most convenient place, always at eye level height, and snapping away. I do believe that this approach pays off with better and more refined compositions in the long run. And I am one who believes that composition is the key to good photography.

As to use of different shooting modes, I certainly think that it is to any photographer’s benefit to be familiar with, and knowledgeable about such modes, as doing so increases one’s ability to better capture images under a wider variety of conditions.

As to WB, I find this to be more of a minor concern than others. That may be because my “style” involves a lot of manipulation of specific color saturations (as opposed to global saturation adjustments), so auto white balance is often sufficient for my needs. In some cases, I will set a custom white balance if I think it will be beneficial under the specific lighting conditions, but it is not a factor I pay attention to as much as other factors.
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Feb 14, 2018 14:32:56   #
mrpentaxk5ii
 
tdekany wrote:
I realize that part of this reply may upset you. So apologize in advance.

1 - I looked at your photos and I had seen some of SS’s work. it would be your loss not to hire him

2 - as I said, I clicked on some of your threads in the photo gallery and I can tell you that you do not practice your own suggestions from this thread.

3 - we are in agreement, that moving around, using different angles is very good.

4 - still disagree with being out of auto mode is going to help one to take “better” pictures. Not better artistically or creatively. Technically? Sure. But that doesn’t make a a boring picture better.

Check these photos out from iPhones
While I have seen good I phone photos, I don't care about them, I do not consider what is in a I-Phone a camera. As for Hireing Sharp Shooter, I have not seen his work but his reply to my post telles me enough about him and I don't need people working for me. have a nice day.
https://www.ippawards.com/winners-of-the-2017-iphone-photography-awards-announced/
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Feb 14, 2018 14:44:15   #
mrpentaxk5ii
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
“Variety” in one’s photography is probably a term that means different things to different photographers. I for one, might be thought to lack variety, in that I tend to focus on a few favorite subjects, and I purposely process my images with a certain look (style, if you will) in mind. However, I do understand, and agree with some of the points made by the OP.

Many photographers could benefit from learning to consciously “work the scene” more than they do currently. When I shoot, I often spend time in the beginning moving about, shooting different angles, elevations, cropping, etc. until I see something on my led screen that I think works the best. Then I set up my tripod and fine tune the composition. I purposefully try to avoid simply setting up my gear in the most convenient place, always at eye level height, and snapping away. I do believe that this approach pays off with better and more refined compositions in the long run. And I am one who believes that composition is the key to good photography.

As to use of different shooting modes, I certainly think that it is to any photographer’s benefit to be familiar with, and knowledgeable about such modes, as doing so increases one’s ability to better capture images under a wider variety of conditions.

As to WB, I find this to be more of a minor concern than others. That may be because my “style” involves a lot of manipulation of specific color saturations (as opposed to global saturation adjustments), so auto white balance is often sufficient for my needs. In some cases, I will set a custom white balance if I think it will be beneficial under the specific lighting conditions, but it is not a factor I pay attention to as much as other factors.
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Thanks for the reply, the only thing about white balance, auto work ok for most things but not all photographs, If you take photos indoors and change white balance settings to match the lighting then go and shoot outdoors and do not make any changes you can have a problem.

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Feb 14, 2018 14:48:13   #
mrpentaxk5ii
 
tdekany wrote:
Catch hell? I personally don’t want newcomers to be misled that a good photo depends on tech.


So that is why so many of you tell new people to go Full Frame cameras....I have seen that advice given so many times on UHH.

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Feb 14, 2018 14:48:49   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
It is interesting, that the person, who started this thread about teaching other people is refusing to learn himself. If you are not open to ideas that don’t resonate with you, like not considering an iPhone a camera is ignorant. I bet that the 2 of us together using the most expansive gear available couldn’t take a picture that would match the winners with the iPhone.

Be careful in the photo gallery section. It isn’t reality.

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Feb 14, 2018 14:49:33   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
mrpentaxk5ii wrote:
So that is why so many of you tell new people to go Full Frame cameras....I have seen that advice given so many times on UHH.


Lol! Do you see my gear list in my signature?

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Feb 14, 2018 14:55:29   #
mrpentaxk5ii
 
tdekany wrote:
I realize that part of this reply may upset you. So apologize in advance.

1 - I looked at your photos and I had seen some of SS’s work. it would be your loss not to hire him

2 - as I said, I clicked on some of your threads in the photo gallery and I can tell you that you do not practice your own suggestions from this thread.

3 - we are in agreement, that moving around, using different angles is very good.

4 - still disagree with being out of auto mode is going to help one to take “better” pictures. Not better artistically or creatively. Technically? Sure. But that doesn’t make a a boring picture better.

Check these photos out from iPhones
If getting out of auto mode does not allow to take better photographs then why do people bother shooting in any mode than Auto...Why bother learning any thing about cameras and how they work if it does not make you a better photographer, answer me that if you can.
https://www.ippawards.com/winners-of-the-2017-iphone-photography-awards-announced/
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Feb 14, 2018 15:08:56   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
In order to take “better” pictures, do we not want amazing lighting, the right composition, and a subject matter that is going to impact you/people?

So tell me, could a person with an iPhone not do that?

So if people were told, who are new to photography, that they should learn about light, composition and subject matter first, wouldn’t that make sense?

Here you are telling people to get out of auto mode to get “better” photos. Most of them, who will read your thread are snapshot shooters. They have taken enough boring pictures, New or seasoned. How in the world going from Aperture mode to full manual mode is going to transform their snapshots into work of art?

Can you explain THAT to me?

Btw, is your blood type type 🅱️ ?

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Feb 14, 2018 16:44:10   #
Joe Blow
 
mrpentaxk5ii wrote:
Looking through your photographs, do you find that they have the same look even though you may have photographed different subjects?..........There are a few things that you can do with out buying different lenses to change the look of your photos. .........Shoot at different times of the day..........Use different focal lengths............Shoot at different apertures.........use different shutter speeds and if you find your self shooting standing up, change body position, shoot on a knee, sitting or lying down......... The Next step is to learn what your camera can do...You don't have to go from shooting full auto to full manual, use Aperture or Shutter Priority mode....Some people say well that's just another auto mode......Well in a word NO. in full auto all you do is turn the camera on and press the shutter, while if you take that approach with Aperture Priority your missing the boat............Aperture Priority has more in common with manual mode then auto mode......Turn your camera on..set to AV Aperture Priority.......Set Aperture....set ISO.......set your metering mode depending on light and subject and last White Balance, these are important settings that you give up control of in full auto the camera will set shutter speed and you can adjust that with exposure compensation..............People that shoot RAW will say that you can change WB in PP why bother setting white balance, while you can adjust WB in PP... say your shooting an event and you don't pay attention to your your white balance, when you go to process your files and you don't have a base line to work with will you remember what the true color of every thing was that you photographed...Well good luck with that one...................Jim M
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If you want to communicate then learn how to write in proper English. That includes more paragraphs. A series of periods does not substitute for grammar in communication. Anyone that can't communicate can't teach.

White Balance is not some magical formula that a camera will adhere to. It is an estimation of the light source temperature. Not all anticipated light sources will produce at the expected temperature.

I don't shoot auto or manual. I am very comfortable shooting aperture or shutter priority. But, I can, and do, respect those who produce fantastic images. How they did it is to their credit. Whether they used a cell phone, P&S, bridge, APS-C, FF, or medium format is irrelevant. Whether it is SOOC or heavily edited is, again, irrelevant. It is the finished image that matters.

Where I come from, we have an old saying. "It is better to be thought a fool then open your mouth and remove all doubt."

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Feb 14, 2018 17:26:15   #
G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK
 
The trouble with photography is that there are many more kinds of photographer as there are makes of camera....and I include cell phones and drones etc,

To get people to enjoy 'taking pictures' right from the start 'Auto' works, as do Programme modes if used as directed. That is why they are fitted to most cameras. They can be an encouragement to use the camera OR the end all of learning photography.....some people love snaps (how many bought a polaroid and followed the instructions always) Some people are happy with this. Others aren't. one or the other is not WRONG.

Some want to create a 'style' or adapt their images and there is a whole host of advice in how to do this.
Others want to be in 'control' so use everything that the camera can do. Again there is advice on when and where to do this.

Then there are the 'techies' who want to talk the gobbldegook of Photography or post process everything into something else. Or advise you how to get the 'extra' that you need in a particular field or subject. That is great if you know the person you are talking with understands......!

The difficulty one has is in understanding who one is talking to in the forum.

'The main photography' section throws everyone in together and the conflicting 'level of advice' can be both daunting or enlightening depending upon 'where you are' in your 'photography'.

All advice is good ....just so long as you can 'link it' to what you need an answere to.

As to the quality of Photography and those that photograph.....why on earth should we feel pressured to 'judge'. We all started somewhere.....and we each end up 'somewhere else' as better or not. What is wrong with that!!! Is there going to be a special number stamped on our tombstone?

The other thing to note is that the questions people ask often reflects 'where on the journey they are'.
There is never a bad question.....it is just difficult to assess 'how to answere'.

Ease up on the criticism of poster and responders. Someone somewhere will read and 'get' the answere they are lookin for from everything posted here.

Even if its only
HAVE FUN!!!!!

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Feb 15, 2018 06:01:39   #
neilds37 Loc: Port Angeles, WA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I agree!!!
Shooting mode has NOTHING to do with the quality of the work, or if it wins a Pulitzer or not.
The ONLY thing that’s important is how the end product looks!!!
SS



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Feb 15, 2018 08:06:22   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
mrpentaxk5ii wrote:
Looking through your photographs, do you find that they have the same look even though you may have photographed different subjects?..........There are a few things that you can do with out buying different lenses to change the look of your photos. .........Shoot at different times of the day..........Use different focal lengths............Shoot at different apertures.........use different shutter speeds and if you find your self shooting standing up, change body position, shoot on a knee, sitting or lying down......... The Next step is to learn what your camera can do...You don't have to go from shooting full auto to full manual, use Aperture or Shutter Priority mode....Some people say well that's just another auto mode......Well in a word NO. in full auto all you do is turn the camera on and press the shutter, while if you take that approach with Aperture Priority your missing the boat............Aperture Priority has more in common with manual mode then auto mode......Turn your camera on..set to AV Aperture Priority.......Set Aperture....set ISO.......set your metering mode depending on light and subject and last White Balance, these are important settings that you give up control of in full auto the camera will set shutter speed and you can adjust that with exposure compensation..............People that shoot RAW will say that you can change WB in PP why bother setting white balance, while you can adjust WB in PP... say your shooting an event and you don't pay attention to your your white balance, when you go to process your files and you don't have a base line to work with will you remember what the true color of every thing was that you photographed...Well good luck with that one...................Jim M
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Generally speaking, I'm satisfied with my shots. I dump the ones I don't like. I use Auto, Aperture, Shutter, and P - all the camera has to offer. I've even been known to use manual. I shoot raw just to give me an edge in processing, if I need it.

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Feb 15, 2018 08:08:29   #
Georgews Loc: Wellington, New Zealand
 
As far as shooting modes go, when just looking around I leave the camera on "P for Professional" so I can get those grab shots. Once I have that in the bag I change to S, A or M depending on what I am shooting

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