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Feb 11, 2018 09:03:16   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Are you hitting a limit of aperture or shutter speed when trying to bracket so many shots? What bracketing settings are you using and what mode are you using, aperture priority? I have seen people bump into the limits of what the camera and lens can do and they bump up against the limit of aperture or shutter speed. I have also seen people do this with Exposure Compensation and wonder why they shots look the same. Just one other thing to consider...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Feb 11, 2018 09:50:12   #
Japakomom Loc: Originally from the Last Frontier
 
It seems there is more to your story than just not being able to bracket 7 shots. You say that a Lexar card caused a problem and fried the camera? That seems to be an issue right there that might cause further problems down the line. Once damage is done it can carry over and cause other problems. Not sure this is exactly a Canon problem. Why not send in your camera and see what Canon says the actual problem is and then go from there?

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Feb 11, 2018 10:37:44   #
johnmccarthy Loc: North Hampton NH
 
jdubu wrote:
Did you have this problem before the electrical system got fried? I only ask because gremlins seem to always appear after a catastrophic event like that which no one can ever diagnose completely it seems. Continual repairs for unrelated problems would have scared me off that camera as probably a lemon. Maybe you can talk Canon services into giving you an exchange or deep discount on a refurbished one from their store, given the history of that camera. I would never tell them I was using anything but Canon lenses on the body, regardless my gear status. This gives them an out and excuse to not delve deeper for an answer to the problem.

I shoot before pics of client homes for reference and comparison to finished interior design shots I produce for designers and contractors. The before shots are sometimes shot using 3 brackets, sometimes 5 with a 5D MKIII. I usually use a 16-35mm LII for the before shots and mostly in the 20-24mm range. I would be interested in seeing what your final photos look like using 11-24mm at 7 brackets if you are so inclined to post a couple. I understand the real estate shoot and interior architecture shoot are 2 different animals, but rooms are rooms. Have you ever shot at 3 or 5 brackets and, if so, do you see the difference from 7 bracketed files?
Did you have this problem before the electrical sy... (show quote)


Not sure if the problem existed before the meltdown. I did not have a lens appropriate for interior real estate photography until recently. You are probably right about not mentioning using third party lenses to Canon.
My "work" camera is a 3Ti with articulating LCD screen and 10-22mm Canon ultra wide angle. That model is only capable of bracketing 3 at a time. I use Photomatix to merge the files. Using three does not give me enough highs and lows to get clarity outside windows. I normally bracket a minimum of 6 frames, but frequently bracket 9 and 12. I shoot manual mode using f-8 to f-13 with ISO locked at 100. The shutter speed is varying to get the over/under exposures. The attached photo is using the 3Ti and 10-22mm and was made from a minimum of 9 frames.

I already owned the 5DIII and wanted to incorporate into some of my work because of it's ability to get a huge spread on exposures with 7 brackets and never touch the camera on the tripod. The Tamron 15-30mm on a full frame gives a wider angle than the 10-22mm on a crop sensor and it was an affordable option.



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Feb 11, 2018 10:41:42   #
johnmccarthy Loc: North Hampton NH
 
Japakomom wrote:
It seems there is more to your story than just not being able to bracket 7 shots. You say that a Lexar card caused a problem and fried the camera? That seems to be an issue right there that might cause further problems down the line. Once damage is done it can carry over and cause other problems. Not sure this is exactly a Canon problem. Why not send in your camera and see what Canon says the actual problem is and then go from there?


I ultimately did send that body back to Canon for repair. This camera went back to them 3 or 4 times, for different issues, while it was still under warranty.

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Feb 11, 2018 10:51:20   #
johnmccarthy Loc: North Hampton NH
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Are you hitting a limit of aperture or shutter speed when trying to bracket so many shots? What bracketing settings are you using and what mode are you using, aperture priority? I have seen people bump into the limits of what the camera and lens can do and they bump up against the limit of aperture or shutter speed. I have also seen people do this with Exposure Compensation and wonder why they shots look the same. Just one other thing to consider...

Best,
Todd Ferguson


Hi Todd,
I shoot in Manual all the time and set the aperture anywhere from f-8 to f-13 for interiors and hold the ISO at 100 to keep noise at a minimum. The shutter speed becomes the variable for bracketing. For exterior photos, I set the aperture at f-13, but may bump that to f-18 if the sun is peeking over a rooftop so I can get a "star" affect.
I don't think technique is the issue here. I have been using this same technique for years.
Again, sometimes the 5DIII will bracket 7 and sometimes it won't. Two days ago, it worked flawlessly. Yesterday, it would not bracket at all. I have done a complete camera electrical reset and it did not correct the problem.

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Feb 11, 2018 10:54:04   #
johnmccarthy Loc: North Hampton NH
 
ThreeCee wrote:
I download the pix through the camera softwear. The prongs inside the camera are a weak link.


I agree, ThreeCee. I probably should just use SD cards. They have come a long ways in the last couple of years.

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Feb 11, 2018 10:58:55   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
johnmccarthy wrote:
TriX,...The best ultra wide angle lens for a full frame Canon is the EF 11-24mm which weighs in at a hefty $2,700. This is why I bought the Tamron...


Understood, but to clarify, you initially mentioned a wide angle I believe, not an ultra wide, and you bought a 15-30, not much different than the 16-35 or 17-40 range I suggested. Also, from my experience (other more experienced real estate photographers correct me if I’m mistaken), 16mm is plenty wide enough for the indoor real estate photography I’ve done. In fact, going to ultra wide (say 11mm) can produce exaggerations and distortions. I do understand however, that discussing lenses is not the primary purpose of your post. I hope you get your problem resolved.

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Feb 11, 2018 11:00:36   #
johnmccarthy Loc: North Hampton NH
 
ncshutterbug wrote:
I also have the 5DIII and have never had an issue using either of 2 Canon lenses or Tamron 28-300 lens. When I have any issue with this or my Panasonic camera, I take it to my local store and they are great about letting me try another lens, or whatever I need to do. If I don't understand something they are very patient and explain it in plain english, even though I didn't buy either of the cameras or lenses there. If something needs to be sent off for repairs they will tell me and explain what it will cost. If it's out of warranty they can fix it there. I do hope you get this ironed out, as it's a wonderful camera.
I also have the 5DIII and have never had an issue ... (show quote)


Thank you, ncshutterbug.
I hope to get the problem worked out too. I have always felt the 5DIII was the best all-around camera on the market "for the money."
I have used mine for event photos, band/nightclub photos, engagement shoots and even wildlife. The 5DIV just didn't have enough improved features to justify upgrading from the 5DIII.

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Feb 11, 2018 12:17:11   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
pithydoug wrote:
Never an issue with my III(knock on wood) ever but I do use all Canon L lenses. How wide do you need that cost $3,000??

It's just a very nice lens, and 11mm looks quite impressive on a FF!

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Feb 11, 2018 12:21:42   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
What amount are you bracketing from shot to shot...1/2 stop, full stop or more...? Just curious...
The other thought that comes to my mind is there some other setting that may be enabled that is blocking the bracketing...

Best,
Todd Ferguson


johnmccarthy wrote:
Hi Todd,
I shoot in Manual all the time and set the aperture anywhere from f-8 to f-13 for interiors and hold the ISO at 100 to keep noise at a minimum. The shutter speed becomes the variable for bracketing. For exterior photos, I set the aperture at f-13, but may bump that to f-18 if the sun is peeking over a rooftop so I can get a "star" affect.
I don't think technique is the issue here. I have been using this same technique for years.
Again, sometimes the 5DIII will bracket 7 and sometimes it won't. Two days ago, it worked flawlessly. Yesterday, it would not bracket at all. I have done a complete camera electrical reset and it did not correct the problem.
Hi Todd, br I shoot in Manual all the time and set... (show quote)

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Feb 11, 2018 12:49:07   #
johnmccarthy Loc: North Hampton NH
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
What amount are you bracketing from shot to shot...1/2 stop, full stop or more...? Just curious...
The other thought that comes to my mind is there some other setting that may be enabled that is blocking the bracketing...

Best,
Todd Ferguson


Todd, I am using 1 1/3 stops for a total of 4 over and 4 under. Not sure why this camera will bracket and sometimes it won't.
When I first started using the Tamron 15-30mm, it worked perfectly each time, except for my own user error. I had to learn to turn off the VC because it was sitting on a tripod. It took a few "ghosty" images until I realized my error, but then it was fine for a couple of months. I had a shoot 2 1/2 hours away and the agent was willing to do the driving. My first set up was from the street, looking through two stone gates. I bracketed for 7 shots and hit the shutter button on 2 second delay. The camera clicked off 7 times to the amazement of my agent client who has never seen such a thing. I proceeded down the driveway closer to the house and took 5 more views. When I got home, the first shot through the stone gates did not exist. The rest were fine. That's when I knew the camera had a problem. The next shoot, sometimes it would fire 7 times, sometimes it choked after 4 or 5, not recording any of the series.

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Feb 11, 2018 13:12:26   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
What is the order of the bracket shots, 0, +++, ---, or ---,0, +++ or other? Does it always seem to choke at 4-5 or does it sometimes choke after 2-3? I don't mean to be a PITA but I just find this issue interesting...and hope I can help. I think I will pull out my camera and play with the bracketing too...

johnmccarthy wrote:
Todd, I am using 1 1/3 stops for a total of 4 over and 4 under. Not sure why this camera will bracket and sometimes it won't.
When I first started using the Tamron 15-30mm, it worked perfectly each time, except for my own user error. I had to learn to turn off the VC because it was sitting on a tripod. It took a few "ghosty" images until I realized my error, but then it was fine for a couple of months. I had a shoot 2 1/2 hours away and the agent was willing to do the driving. My first set up was from the street, looking through two stone gates. I bracketed for 7 shots and hit the shutter button on 2 second delay. The camera clicked off 7 times to the amazement of my agent client who has never seen such a thing. I proceeded down the driveway closer to the house and took 5 more views. When I got home, the first shot through the stone gates did not exist. The rest were fine. That's when I knew the camera had a problem. The next shoot, sometimes it would fire 7 times, sometimes it choked after 4 or 5, not recording any of the series.
Todd, I am using 1 1/3 stops for a total of 4 over... (show quote)

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Feb 11, 2018 13:37:24   #
Straightshooter Loc: Edmonton AB
 
johnmccarthy wrote:
I have a Canon 5DIII that I bought about 1 1/2 years ago. In the first year, I had to send it back to Canon for repair 3 or 4 times with completely different issues each time.
Of course, it is now out of warranty.
The newest problem is that it won't shoot a run of 7 bracketed photos, and chokes after 4 or 5. No images are saved to the memory card.
I wanted to include this camera body in my real estate photography work, but need a wide angle lens. The Canon wide angle for this work costs $3,000, so I looked for a less costly lens solution. I purchased a new Tamron SP 15-30mm f-2.8 lens. Great lens, although a bit heavy.
The first few times I used this lens, the 5DIII did a great job bracketing 7 shots, and I was pretty happy with the images.
Then, it stopped completing all 7 brackets.
I called Canon support. They argued that it was due to using a third party lens and I should talk to Tamron. I argued that I put this lens on my 7DII and it bracketed 7 shots perfectly.
Canon said that didn't matter and it was due to using the third party lens.
I did call Tamron and they suggested I try a different memory card. I did and it made no difference.
Has anyone else had an issue with shooting brackets with a 5DIII?
I have a Canon 5DIII that I bought about 1 1/2 ye... (show quote)


I have read the whole report
And the only thing that I
can say is this, there is something going on that we are overlooking and I am wondering if humidity could possibly be the culprit in this case
After this thing got fried the first time is it possible that there are bare contacts on any of the cards that can now be effected by humidity?
This is just a thought

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Feb 11, 2018 14:04:40   #
johnmccarthy Loc: North Hampton NH
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
What is the order of the bracket shots, 0, +++, ---, or ---,0, +++ or other? Does it always seem to choke at 4-5 or does it sometimes choke after 2-3? I don't mean to be a PITA but I just find this issue interesting...and hope I can help. I think I will pull out my camera and play with the bracketing too...


Todd, I have it set for 0, -, +.
That means it chokes on the overexposure after the "easier" exposures.
It always makes it past 2 or 3.
Think I will change it to +, 0, - and try to force the overexposures first in the sequence and see what happens.

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Feb 11, 2018 14:13:11   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
I have run some tests with my camera, 1Dx MkII, but I believe the bracketing works the same as the 5D3. I use Manual and f/18 and f/13 with the 70-200 II IS which just was what was on the camera. I have the order set for -,-,-,0,+,+,+. I used the 2 second delay mode for the shutter and started with shutter speed about 1/30 to 1/100. I got all the shots but the exposures slowed for the last 2-3 shots because they were multi second exposures in some cases. Just for grins you may want to try shooting in single shutter press for each bracketed shot and see if that works. I understand that you could not do that in your real shooting do to movement. I am understanding that there is no Flash involved in these shots too. Because my manual says that AEB cannot function with flash or will be cancelled when the flash is recharged.

Best,
Todd Ferguson


johnmccarthy wrote:
Todd, I have it set for 0, -, +.
That means it chokes on the overexposure after the "easier" exposures.
It always makes it past 2 or 3.
Think I will change it to +, 0, - and try to force the overexposures first in the sequence and see what happens.

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