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Feb 8, 2018 23:45:07   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
rmalarz wrote:
For me, both the digital cameras I use have only three important adjustments, ISO, shutter speed, and aperture. The rest, except for formatting memory modules, are pretty much useless. And, yes, they can prove detrimental if accidentally manipulated.
--Bob


I carry a Canon G7X Mark II when I don't feel like lugging around a DSLR. I found the sharpness setting not to my liking, and adjusted the camera accordingly. I trade blur for a bit more noise. It has a touch screen on the back with one very useful feature, which is touching the point where you want the camera to focus, but it isn't active if you remove all of the menu items that you don't frequently use from the display. My right thumb sometimes hits a menu item accidentally, putting the camera into some adjustment mode, and then I can't take a picture unless I go out of it. I have also accidentally changed the ISO to 12,800 more than once by accidentally touching something. It's annoying.

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Feb 9, 2018 00:52:41   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Steamboat wrote:
Am I the only on that remember when cameras only had 3 controls?
I made a good living making great photographs for my clients with 3 controls and a few different films.

Then can the invention of Digital Photography and computer programmers started designing my equipment.
They were not photographers and looked at camera design from a very different point of view. I don't think that point of view makes for a simple tool.

I once had stereo remote control with 108 buttons all the same size and color....poor design.
When I inquired as to why all these buttons that I'll never use? The reply was "well we had plenty of room on the chip".

Bad design, Is simply that, Bad design. And IMHO Microsoft's Word is also an example of bad design.

Cameras don't need to do as much as computer programmers who design them, think they do.

My camera should be as simple to use as a hammer......OK maybe as simple as a power drill.
Am I the only on that remember when cameras only h... (show quote)


Well said.

Mike

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Feb 9, 2018 05:14:50   #
Shutterbug57
 
If you want to be sure your white balance does not change without you knowing it - film & color correcting filters. It is not the most convenient, but you will know when it changes. Other than that, check your settings before you shoot, not each shot, but each time you set up. If you use custom white balance with a white card, grey card, Expodisc or similar tool, you will build in this discipline.

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Feb 9, 2018 05:36:22   #
Shutterbug57
 
Vern L wrote:
Cameras are like digital calculators (or slide rules if you back that far) they all come with 20+ features, of which you usually use 3-4.


What slide rule did you use? Mine had a central sliding rule and a sliding glass with a line to see what each scale was telling you. Pretty much rock simple.

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Feb 9, 2018 07:49:55   #
Tomfl101 Loc: Mount Airy, MD
 
In film days there was no LCD screen, no auto focus, no ISO change on the fly, no WB change and a 36 exposure burst max if you even had a motor drive. Superior technical results have never been easier. Experience and practice is still what separates the good from the great. Practice, practice, practice, and above all SHOOT RAW!

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Feb 9, 2018 08:46:21   #
GalaxyCat Loc: Boston, MA
 
I'm still learning about my 77D Canon. So far I have been unsuccessful in seeing the Histogram in Live View. I even wonder if they took away that feature, or my camera is broken, because it's in the manual. I bought the camera used, for less than 1/2 price, but warrantees are not transferable so I'm out of luck.

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Feb 9, 2018 10:11:21   #
Tomfl101 Loc: Mount Airy, MD
 
On my 5Dllll if you press the "info" button multiple times it will show.

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Feb 9, 2018 13:57:34   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Tomfl101 wrote:
In film days there was no LCD screen, no auto focus, no ISO change on the fly, no WB change and a 36 exposure burst max if you even had a motor drive. Superior technical results have never been easier. Experience and practice is still what separates the good from the great. Practice, practice, practice, and above all SHOOT RAW!

Actually, there was no WB at all - if you wanted something like that, you had to work at it later. Some of us shot Kodachrome and never touched a negatives - "raw" steals that ease away from us. I like automation.

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Feb 9, 2018 14:09:14   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Shutterbug57 wrote:
What slide rule did you use? Mine had a central sliding rule and a sliding glass with a line to see what each scale was telling you. Pretty much rock simple.

This is a picture of the model I used, and I used (or could use) every function when I was still smart. The grooves the slide went through were lined with teflon. I gave the thing to my son a few years ago. He likes to collect old things like this.


(Download)

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Feb 9, 2018 14:16:14   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
rehess wrote:
Actually, there was no WB at all - if you wanted something like that, you had to work at it later. Some of us shot Kodachrome and never touched a negatives - "raw" steals that ease away from us. I like automation.


Working with Raw files is vastly easier than working with JPEGs, in my experience. What has been stolen from us?

Mike

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Feb 9, 2018 20:02:27   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Why would that be "the bottom line?" Does the camera work for the photographer or does the photographer work for the camera? Those with a profit interest in this would have us believe the latter.

A hammer with a built in light, a compass, GPS, and wi-fi enabled may help to sell more hammers, and who knows? Maybe some of those features would be useful. But I would never therefore say "bottom line, the first thing a carpenter does is to learn his hammer almost to the point where you can set it in the dark." At some point, the gimmicks would interfere with learning carpentry.

The camera manufacturers need to be responsive to the users, not the other way around. Photography is about producing images, not learning how to use the features of the camera.

Mike
Why would that be "the bottom line?" Doe... (show quote)


So tell me, how do you build a camera to care for everyone's needs. Do you expect them to hand build one for you with your options and then do a different one for someone else? I'm sure you would just love to pay that tab and sit on you hands for delivery!

You are correct, photography is about producing images. If you want high quality photos you learn the features you need and ignore the others. If want it easier, go for a point-n-shoot and set it on auto. Problem solved!

Many times people only use bare bones function and then over time mature to use more and more features. You only buy a one speed bike and then you decide you want to bike up this steep hill.

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Feb 9, 2018 20:32:18   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
pithydoug wrote:
So tell me, how do you build a camera to care for everyone's needs.

Do you expect them to hand build one for you with your options and then do a different one for someone else? I'm sure you would just love to pay that tab and sit on you hands for delivery!

You are correct, photography is about producing images. If you want high quality photos you learn the features you need and ignore the others. If want it easier, go for a point-n-shoot and set it on auto. Problem solved!

Many times people only use bare bones function and then over time mature to use more and more features. You only buy a one speed bike and then you decide you want to bike up this steep hill.
So tell me, how do you build a camera to care for ... (show quote)


What does that have to do with bad design and the the consumer obsession with more and more "features" and with questionable sales and marketing practices ? Nothing, that's what. Did you read what I posted?

Yeah, I see the upscale bikers up here in farm country with their lime green form-fitting Lycra outfits and their thousands of dollars worth of equipment. When we are trying to get the fruit harvest in on the country roads here, they are a big hazard. Yet they look at us as though we are the intruders, as though we are offending them somehow. Nothing like coming over a hill with a heavy load of perishables on the way to the packing house and suddenly come on a gaggle of bikers blocking the road. They will as often as not "flip the bird" at the truck driver. I am sure they appreciate all of the latest "features" on all of their expensive consumer gadgets.

There was a farmer here who ran for Congress a while back. The local paper asked the various candidates to answer a series of questions about their positions on the various issues, and they all gave long response, with multiple paragraphs to explain their positions on dozens of issues, except for the farmer. He simply wrote "we gotta do something abut the bikes." That was it, but we all knew what he was talking about. He won.

Mike

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Feb 9, 2018 20:34:06   #
Steamboat
 
pithydoug wrote:
So tell me, how do you build a camera to care for everyone's needs. Do you expect them to hand build one for you with your options and then do a different one for someone else? I'm sure you would just love to pay that tab and sit on you hands for delivery!

You are correct, photography is about producing images. If you want high quality photos you learn the features you need and ignore the others. If want it easier, go for a point-n-shoot and set it on auto. Problem solved!

Many times people only use bare bones function and then over time mature to use more and more features. You only buy a one speed bike and then you decide you want to bike up this steep hill.
So tell me, how do you build a camera to care for ... (show quote)




Ever see a Leica menu ? .......Its simple. No other camera manufacture has considered the needs of the photographer like Leica.
I want to make photographs and not wade through useless features and wonder if I accidental checked something I don't want on.

Its ridiculous to say "If want it easier get a point and shoot". I want to think about making photographs and not the camera....there is nothing easy about making great photographs.

"Over time you use more features" is another ridiculous statement. These "features" get in the way.
You don't need all those features to take better photos.......Less is more.

The bike thing doesn't work either in terms of making photographs.

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Feb 10, 2018 06:22:00   #
Shutterbug57
 
Simple camera bodies are one of the joys of shooting film.

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Feb 10, 2018 09:16:22   #
Steamboat
 
Shutterbug57 wrote:
Simple camera bodies are one of the joys of shooting film.


Agreed!!!! But why isnt it the same for Digital ?
The best design is the simplest.

Even something as complicated as Auto Focus. doesn't need all those choices.

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