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Feb 4, 2018 18:55:50   #
BebuLamar
 
Peterff wrote:
Now wait Bebu. We both know things about Canon's A series cameras, and you pointed out an error in my understanding a little while back. I think you may have meant the aperture dial in your comment. Anyhow thank you for identifying and correcting my previous misunderstanding. However, when talking about dials, I was referencing the T90, which is whole different kettle of fish. Now we could do the same test, especially if you have a T90, and I may be right or I may be wrong, I'll take a look when I have time, but mostly this is academic, and doesn't help the OP. What is he looking for? As far as I understand it primarily relates to Pentax, or multiple other brands, not the weeds of historical Canon details.
Now wait Bebu. We both know things about Canon's ... (show quote)


The T90 certainly has a wheel like that of the EOS cameras. The AE-1 has a dial but which is best to turn with 1 finger similar to the modern wheel. Same for the A-1. In fact one can't touch the A-1 wheel with 2 fingers. (The AE-P on the other hand has the same shutter speed dial as a Nikon or Pentax).

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Feb 4, 2018 19:02:55   #
NMGal Loc: NE NM
 
Peterff wrote:
Now wait Bebu. We both know things about Canon's A series cameras, and you pointed out an error in my understanding a little while back. I think you may have meant the aperture dial in your comment. Anyhow thank you for identifying and correcting my previous misunderstanding. However, when talking about dials, I was referencing the T90, which is whole different kettle of fish. Now we could do the same test, especially if you have a T90, and I may be right or I may be wrong, I'll take a look when I have time, but mostly this is academic, and doesn't help the OP. What is he looking for? As far as I understand it primarily relates to Pentax, or multiple other brands, not the weeds of historical Canon details.
Now wait Bebu. We both know things about Canon's ... (show quote)


Mostly what I was looking for was a camera that you could set the aperture, speed, EC and iso by dials on top of the camera and a ring around the lens. The best of the film era combined with the ability to see what you are getting thru the viewfinder/monitor without delving into multiple menus. Does this make sense?

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Feb 4, 2018 19:05:53   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
BebuLamar wrote:
The T90 certainly has a wheel like that of the EOS cameras. The AE-1 has a dial but which is best to turn with 1 finger similar to the modern wheel. Same for the A-1. In fact one can't touch the A-1 wheel with 2 fingers. (The AE-P on the other hand has the same shutter speed dial as a Nikon or Pentax).


I guess I should be more specific. The Zenit E, The A Canons, Nikons et all, most had dials. Primarily shutter speed dials on the camera. We're really - I think - talking about multi function dials where both shutter speed, aperture, and other things can be controlled from a single dial. I think that the T90 was amongst the first to do that. Please feel free to add your knowledge and correct me if necessary.

When did the shift to multi-function dials occur? Which vendors pioneered the way?

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Feb 4, 2018 19:08:58   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
NMGal wrote:
On a whim, I recently bought a Pentax Spotmatic SP 35mm film camera with a Takumar 55mm 1.8 lens. Love the simplicity. Can’t wait to get the film developed. I also love seeing my pictures immediately and the ability to delete that you have with digital. My question is, are there any cameras out there that have dials for speed and iso and lenses with aperture rings? I have been looking at Fujifilm, maybe the X-E2S. Leica is too expensive. I need a great viewfinder and don’t care about video. My budget is $2,000 or less. Are there any other brands I should look at? Any advice would be appreciated.
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Pentax , have some and with $2000 you would just about afford the Pentax K1 and it can still use the Takumar 55mm 1.8 you have. Even when Pentax moved to the K-mount they still sold an adapter to mount the m42 lenses to the k-mount bodies I have a few takumars myself which work with all my Pentax bodies Film and Digital.

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Feb 4, 2018 19:13:21   #
BebuLamar
 
Peterff wrote:
I guess I should be more specific. The Zenit E, The A Canons, Nikons et all, most had dials. Primarily shutter speed dials on the camera. We're really - I think - talking about multi function dials where both shutter speed, aperture, and other things can be controlled from a single dial. I think that the T90 was amongst the first to do that. Please feel free to add your knowledge and correct me if necessary.

When did the shift to multi-function dials occur? Which vendors pioneered the way?
I guess I should be more specific. The Zenit E, T... (show quote)


What I meant is that a person who was used to the Canon A series wouldn't miss the aperture ring and shutter speed dial common on the Nikon, Pentax and Minolta of the period.

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Feb 4, 2018 19:14:59   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
NMGal wrote:
Mostly what I was looking for was a camera that you could set the aperture, speed, EC and iso by dials on top of the camera and a ring around the lens. The best of the film era combined with the ability to see what you are getting thru the viewfinder/monitor without delving into multiple menus. Does this make sense?


Yes it does. Today's Canon EOS cameras do most of that, except that they meter with an open aperture. To see the depth of field requires stopping down the lens, which darkens the viewfinder. Without switching to an electronic viewfinder/mirrorless system that may be a challenge with any brand. Your desires may be met in multiple ways, but for a DSLR type camera that could be a year or few in the future.

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Feb 4, 2018 19:22:08   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Peterff wrote:
Yes it does. Today's Canon EOS cameras do most of that, except that they meter with an open aperture. To see the depth of field requires stopping down the lens, which darkens the viewfinder. Without switching to an electronic viewfinder/mirrorless system that may be a challenge with any brand. Your desires may be met in multiple ways, but for a DSLR type camera that could be a year or few in the future.


What does any of this back and forth have to do with the OP's question, and how does it help her?

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Feb 4, 2018 19:24:59   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Mac wrote:
What does any of this back and forth have to do with the OP's question, and how does it help her?


I'm trying to understand what the OP is looking for. I may be being obtuse, and if so I apologies, but I'm trying to understand the question that seems a little vague.

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Feb 4, 2018 19:27:16   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
It’s gotta be a tactile thing...I get it.

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Feb 4, 2018 19:43:25   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Peterff wrote:
Yes it does. Today's Canon EOS cameras do most of that, except that they meter with an open aperture. To see the depth of field requires stopping down the lens, which darkens the viewfinder. Without switching to an electronic viewfinder/mirrorless system that may be a challenge with any brand. Your desires may be met in multiple ways, but for a DSLR type camera that could be a year or few in the future.


With M42 lenses pentax bodies just use them in aperture priority mode. if they don't have the a/m switch you focus open and stop down to what you want.

for the km lenses the aperture lever is held open in manual mode a press of the green button and the lever is released to the position set by the aperture the body meters the scene and sets an appropriate shutter speed if you don't like it you can change the iso and it will adjust the shutter speed.

for the ka lenses pentax invented a lens code which the body interprets to find the minimum and maximum aperture of the lens the aperture lever moves in proportion to the f-stop ( the km lever movement was linear) in a mode the aperture ring is set to the minimum f-stop. If you want to use it like a km you just move the aperture ring away from the minimum position.
F series lenses work the same way but also have auto focus. for the older lenses you are manually adjusting the lens till the af system confirms.

Some bodies have a single dial the better bodies have a front and rear dial the readout in the view finder tells you f-stop if available (km and m42 lenses give f- ) the shutter speed and iso it also tells you if you are under or over exposing.

It's a nice system I like it.

With older lenses you should set the focal length when you turn the camera on this sets the in body stabilisation for the lens anything newer than a ka lens tells the body the focal length automatically and the body sets the focus and aperture.

Of course if you want to you can also use a handheld meter and set the values according to your meter readings.

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Feb 5, 2018 06:56:55   #
jeweler53
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-DF-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-Silver-Shutter-Count-under-26K-With-Case/332541757048?hash=item4d6d088678:g:KfYAAOSwLwBadN9B

US $1,359.99. You would still have $600+ for lenses. I LOVE mine.

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Feb 5, 2018 07:24:10   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
NMGal wrote:
On a whim, I recently bought a Pentax Spotmatic SP 35mm film camera with a Takumar 55mm 1.8 lens. Love the simplicity. Can’t wait to get the film developed. I also love seeing my pictures immediately and the ability to delete that you have with digital. My question is, are there any cameras out there that have dials for speed and iso and lenses with aperture rings? I have been looking at Fujifilm, maybe the X-E2S. Leica is too expensive. I need a great viewfinder and don’t care about video. My budget is $2,000 or less. Are there any other brands I should look at? Any advice would be appreciated.
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There are cameras that "seem" to work alot like film cameras.


The BEST "digital but film experience" that I ever had was the Epson R-D1x. It was the bridge between film and digital. It has a tiny useless LCD that only shows you menu stuff, so no chimping, and you cock the shutter by rotating the film advance knob!

6mb files too. They were the most "film like" files I've ever produced (except for film of course)

it's the film experience in digital for sure. I loved it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BOXED-N-MINT-EPSON-R-D1x-Body-Rangefinder-Digital-Camera-from-Japan/142659214380?hash=item213726dc2c:g:QKEAAOSwI8laN4Ns

My copy of the RD-1x
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Feb 5, 2018 08:34:05   #
Novicus Loc: north and east
 
pesfls wrote:
A slightly used in ex condition Nikon Df will run about $1800. All lenses since 1959 work on it as they did in the film days, up through the latest ones. If you mean and a lense in same purchase then it would be over your budget.


Including a 50 f2.0 lens would be under 2k.

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Feb 5, 2018 08:54:28   #
BebuLamar
 
NMGal wrote:
On a whim, I recently bought a Pentax Spotmatic SP 35mm film camera with a Takumar 55mm 1.8 lens. Love the simplicity. Can’t wait to get the film developed. I also love seeing my pictures immediately and the ability to delete that you have with digital. My question is, are there any cameras out there that have dials for speed and iso and lenses with aperture rings? I have been looking at Fujifilm, maybe the X-E2S. Leica is too expensive. I need a great viewfinder and don’t care about video. My budget is $2,000 or less. Are there any other brands I should look at? Any advice would be appreciated.
On a whim, I recently bought a Pentax Spotmatic SP... (show quote)


The Fuji has very similar controls as a film cameras but the viewfinder is electronic and the sensor is smaller than that of the Pentax Spotmatic. The Nikon Df also has similar controls and has a reflex viewfinder like the Spotmatic and has the sensor of the same size.

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Feb 5, 2018 08:59:11   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
lamiaceae wrote:
You mean digital? Nikon Df, rather retro, but $$$. Many vintage lenses that have click-stops (aperture-ring) can be used on DSLRs and Mirrorless cameras. Do a bit of research on that.

Yes, the Asahi/Honeywell Pentax Spotmatic was a great simple camera. I have one and later K-mount K1000 and K2 DMD film cameras.


I wonder how many photographers here started with a Spotmatic. (I did). Why not a combination, digital/film camera? (a fantasy of mine)

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