Strong shift from Dslr to mirrorless cameras in 2017 (Page 6): There is plenty of vinyl around, still. Ever since the CD got popular, I've missed the large album with its liner notes...

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

JD750 wrote:

Ha ha ha ha that is funny! That statement only proves that audio preferences are 100% subjective. My subjective preference is I gave away all my albums and I threw out all that crappy vinyl hardware, turntables, all of it, +20 years ago.

Technology marches on relentlessly, whether or not you chose to go along is up to you.

I also have a brand new mirrorless camera body, and I love it.

There is plenty of vinyl around, still. Ever since the CD got popular, I've missed the large album with its liner notes and photos and lyrics. So I've kept all my old albums. I buy music on CD when I can find what I want. Otherwise, I download it.

I am fully steeped in digital technology, CDs, .mp3s, .aacs, multi-track digital recording, etc. I'm even a mirrorless camera user. But I still play the odd LP now and then. I still listen to AM radio sports shows on occasion, even though I listen to Internet radio on my iPhone most of the time.

I guess I'm just saying, as PeterFF really is, use what you have if it meets your needs of the moment. If not, get something new.

hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico

Burkohoto... I looked at your list, and suddenly lfelt VERY old; I used to run a linotype machine!! :-)

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Peterff wrote:

Thomas, I do not know. So far nothing that I have... (show quote)

DTran

burkphoto wrote:

There is plenty of vinyl around, still. Ever since... (show quote)

I am more of an old dog that doesn't learn new trick. I still use my cassette but I don't like the vinyl as I never did. I listen to FM radio and as always do not listen to AM. I still use 35mm film and I am not going to get a mirrorless except if it's a pocket camera. I use CD but not MP3.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

hookedupin2005 wrote:

Burkohoto... I looked at your list, and suddenly lfelt VERY old; I used to run a linotype machine!! :-)

We had a couple of them at Delmar Yearbooks back in the '80s. The guy who ran the composition department retired, and we gave them to him, with the agreement he would put them in his garage and contract his services back to us. We used Linotype slugs to foil stamp names on yearbook covers and senior portraits at our photo lab. When he died, his son had a hell of a time disposing of the equipment (and all of the lead...).

At one point, toward the mid-1980s, we had five generations of typesetting systems running.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

burkphoto wrote:

There is plenty of vinyl around, still. Ever since... (show quote)

Yes I miss that album art as well. Not quite the same on a 4" CD cover. And those album covers did come in hand didn't they! With the new law legalizing the sale of "Mary Jane" in CA, those album covers may be back in demand again. ;) Maybe the music companies will start selling CDs with the large covers. LOL.

I didn't mean to critique anybody for what they like, if it sounded that way I apologize. Every body likes different things and that is as is should be.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

JD750 wrote:

Yes I miss that album art as well. Not quite the same on a 4" CD cover. And those album covers did come in hand didn't they! With the new law legalizing the sale of "Mary Jane" in CA, those album covers may be back in demand again. ;) Maybe the music companies will start selling CDs with the large covers. LOL.

I didn't mean to critique anybody for what they like, if it sounded that way I apologize. Every body likes different things and that is as is should be.

Some secrets of the '60s and '70s should stay untold.
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JPL

speters wrote:

Canon is the #1 in selling mirrorless cameras on the market!

That is interesting. Do you have some reference or link with info about this?

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

It would be nice if they further broke it down by model instead of total units... As it is, they lump some different types together.

JPL wrote:

Here are the numbers.

Cameras
http://cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/d-201712_e.pdf

Lenses here
http://cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/s-201712_e.pdf

They have numbers for different markets, but not by manufacturers.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Cdouthitt wrote:

I'm up to date...you snooze you loose...to each their own.

https://petapixel.com/2017/09/12/dear-canon-happened-innovation/

https://www.diyphotography.net/canon-admits-lagging-innovation-behind-companies/

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-truth-about-how-innovative-Canon-and-Nikon-are

https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=18985.0

I baited you with that last statement, knowing you'd come back and defend Canon. My apologies.

Clint, you are so obvious, and trust me, I'm ahead of you on this. I'm not defending Canon other than from an objective market analysis point of view. I have chosen to use Canon for my own personal reasons, but I'm not advocating for them as a shill or company evangelist would. I'm looking at this as a professional market researcher does, since that is one of the roles that I have in my professional life.

What I'm trying to do is to get a balanced view of what is happening in the market. I consider Olympus to be an excellent company. Nikon, Pentax, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, others also. The market is changing, and your view point is as valid as any other person's, but we need a balanced perspective.

This shouldn't be a pissing contest. However, I suspect that I am a much better market researcher than you are.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

billnikon wrote:

I am sure the market appears to be going to smalle... (show quote)

When I was younger, when camera bodies had small grips at best, we learned to hold the camera body in the right hand but to cradle the lens with the left .... then came the Canon T90, and suddenly everyone was gripping the body with the right hand. I predict that some will relearn to cradle, to "balance", long lenses with the left hand, but wildlife may remain one of the remaining strongholds for DSLRs.

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

I still cradle.... Old habits die hard...

rehess wrote:

When I was younger, when camera bodies had small grips at best, we learned to hold the camera body in the right hand but to cradle the lens with the left .... then came the Canon T90, and suddenly everyone was gripping the body with the right hand. I predict that some will relearn to cradle, to "balance", long lenses with the left hand, but wildlife may remain one of the remaining strongholds for DSLRs.

DTran

Screamin Scott wrote:

I still cradle.... Old habits die hard...

I always cradle the camera with my left hand and I don't really hold the camera at all with the right hand. I do find it's impossible to cradle my Nikon F5 due to the bulk in the bottom of the camera. Also I can cradle my new Df but it's a bit more difficult because the lens sit higher on the body as compared to say the Nikon F3.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

rehess wrote:

When I was younger, when camera bodies had small grips at best, we learned to hold the camera body in the right hand but to cradle the lens with the left .... then came the Canon T90, and suddenly everyone was gripping the body with the right hand. I predict that some will relearn to cradle, to "balance", long lenses with the left hand, but wildlife may remain one of the remaining strongholds for DSLRs.

You did with the T90? I still have a couple of T90s, and I still cradle the lens...

Just picked up a working T90, and yep, I cradle the lens. Still do with my digital gear, with battery grips. Just tested that with my 80D. Old habits die hard I guess.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Peterff wrote:

You did with the T90? I still have a couple of T90s, and I still cradle the lens....

Actually, I never had a T90 - my first Canon SLR was the Elan that lured me away from Pentax for 22 years; I've had the K-30 for just 32 months, but already I find myself daydreaming about the tiny grip version of the KP.

People who still cradle should be much more open to MILC.