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Jan 30, 2018 19:59:32   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
As I recall ------
The Elan 7 was one step above the entry level Rebel 2000 & It's asking price was about half of what they were getting for the EOS 3
One damn good camera -- Didn't really use or care for the eye control feature

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Jan 30, 2018 20:29:17   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
imagemeister wrote:
Yes, the EOS 3 was maybe the best film camera EVER - and, still expensive today ! ( for a film camera)

If we say the EOS 3 is a 10, the Elan is maybe an 8....? !

I think you will see a LARGE difference in price between the two ( relatively).

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The Elan kit I purchased for just over $700 in 1995 has the distinction of being the most expensive camera I ever purchased. I may eclipse that by purchasing a Pentax KP, unless its price drops seriously in the next year.

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Jan 30, 2018 21:05:54   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
BebuLamar wrote:
The Rebel K2 is at the bottom of the Canon SLR line up. It's a decent camera but I can't say it's really good because there many better ones from Canon. As for the lens I think the one with USM is better. If the camera body is less than $50 then I think is OK. I think the $50 is the highest a K2 is worth.

Hey bellgamin, I too looked at the features of the Rebel K2 and the $100 used prices on Amazon. I'm with BebuLamar that $50 is their actual worth. For $100 you can buy a lot more EOS film camera if you shop a bit. Look at the various models listed in other posts.

The K2 feature set, below, is a lot like the early Rebel DSLRs. I was surprised Canon was still releasing film Rebels as recently as 2003. Any Canon EF lens will work just the same on this film camera as a DSLR today. I shoot film in spurts and have almost stopped using my manual focus equipment because of the ease trading lenses between EOS digital and film bodies.

If cost is an issue, I have a Rebel G that functions fine. I think the fixed-fee boxes from the USPS costs the same to Hawaii as to Los Angeles. I can send you a Rebel G for the cost of postage. It has all the shooting modes as the K2, but it has only 3 focus points and no flash. When I got back into film, grabbing this body off the shelf was a great way to test some film types. It also doesn't invest anything in a film body, beyond postage. Maybe an idea to consider?



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Jan 31, 2018 06:23:50   #
EoS_User Loc: Oshawa, Ontario Canada
 
You can get an EOS 650 or 630 on eBay for low price. Much better camera IMO.

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Jan 31, 2018 06:30:53   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
bellgamin wrote:
I have the Canon EOS Rebel K2 SLR film camera in my sights. Used, of course. There are a lot of them at both Ebay & Amazon so -- if I go for this one -- I will have to do a lot of research to raise the odds of buying one in good condition.

There are 2 zoom lens options that interest me -- 28-80mm & 28-90mm. both f3.5-5.6 The spec say that the 80 uses a USM motor to drive the autofocus whereas the 90 uses a DC motor (I have no idea what this means.)


ADVICE PLEASE..... ๐Ÿ˜‡
1- was this a really good camera in its day?
2- if so, which of the 2 zoom lenses should I go for?
I have the Canon EOS Rebel K2 SLR film camera in m... (show quote)


Lots of reviews.
https://www.google.com/search?q=canon+eos+rebel+k2+review&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS726US726&oq=Canon+EOS+Rebel+K2+rev&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.4746j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


Lenses -
http://cameradecision.com/lenses/compare/Canon-EF-28-80mm-f3.5-5.6-II-vs-Canon-EF-28-90mm-f4.0-5.6-II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go70cxe4ckY
https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-28-90mm-f-4-5.6-II-USM-Lens-Review.aspx
https://www.dpreview.com/products/canon/lenses/canon_28-90_4p0-5p6_ii

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Jan 31, 2018 06:41:31   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
bellgamin wrote:


ADVICE PLEASE..... ๐Ÿ˜‡
1- was this a really good camera in its day?


Any camera body will be fine. They are just a box that lets light in. My favorite film camera that I tote every day cost me $9.00 on ebay.


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2- if so, which of the 2 zoom lenses should I go for?

That, I don't know.

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Jan 31, 2018 07:15:26   #
Fotomacher Loc: Toronto
 
bellgamin wrote:
I have the Canon EOS Rebel K2 SLR film camera in my sights. Used, of course. There are a lot of them at both Ebay & Amazon so -- if I go for this one -- I will have to do a lot of research to raise the odds of buying one in good condition.

There are 2 zoom lens options that interest me -- 28-80mm & 28-90mm. both f3.5-5.6 The spec say that the 80 uses a USM motor to drive the autofocus whereas the 90 uses a DC motor (I have no idea what this means.)


ADVICE PLEASE..... ๐Ÿ˜‡
1- was this a really good camera in its day?
2- if so, which of the 2 zoom lenses should I go for?
I have the Canon EOS Rebel K2 SLR film camera in m... (show quote)


If I was going out now to buy a film body, I would buy NIKON and not Canon. The reason is that Nikon has not changed the โ€œF mountโ€ dramatically since 1959 and lenses that you buy for the film body will work with newer digital SLRs. For cost efficiency, you can look at the F-401 (also named N2002) which has a couple of program modes and an AF motor. The old AF lenses you might buy for it will also work perfectly on the D7xxx bodies and higher.

If you want a really good film SLR consider an F5. Pro quality and fully compatible with modern glass.

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Jan 31, 2018 09:05:06   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Fotomacher wrote:
If I was going out now to buy a film body, I would buy NIKON and not Canon. The reason is that Nikon has not changed the โ€œF mountโ€ dramatically since 1959 and lenses that you buy for the film body will work with newer digital SLRs. For cost efficiency, you can look at the F-401 (also named N2002) which has a couple of program modes and an AF motor. The old AF lenses you might buy for it will also work perfectly on the D7xxx bodies and higher.

If you want a really good film SLR consider an F5. Pro quality and fully compatible with modern glass.
If I was going out now to buy a film body, I would... (show quote)

I'm not sure why you picked this context for these comments ... but they don't work here.

I purchased my Canon Elan in 1995; it was slightly older than, but related to, the camera discussed here - and they used exactly the same lenses. In 2007 I purchased a bottom-of-the-line Digital Rebel which used those lenses also. Today, those same lenses would be fully functional on any DSLR sold today by Canon.

In 1995, before I went AF with Canon, I was a Pentax user. I don't remember what AF Pentax camera I considered, but every lens used by that camera would have been fully functional on any DSLR sold today by Pentax.

In 1995 I also looked at a Nikon - I believe it was an N7007. The lenses used by that camera would not focus on D5600, or any other camera below D7xxx sold today by Nikon.

Of the companies Canon, Pentax, and Nikon, today Nikon's products are least compatible with the lenses produced during the era being discussed in this thread.

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Jan 31, 2018 09:11:42   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
rehess wrote:
I'm not sure why you picked this context for these comments ... but they don't work here.

I purchased my Canon Elan in 1995; it was slightly older than, but related to, the camera discussed here - and they used exactly the same lenses. In 2007 I purchased a bottom-of-the-line Digital Rebel which used those lenses also. Today, those same lenses would be fully functional on any DSLR sold today by Canon.

In 1995, before I went AF with Canon, I was a Pentax user. I don't remember what AF Pentax camera I considered, but every lens used by that camera would have been fully functional on any DSLR sold today by Pentax.

In 1995 I also looked at a Nikon - I believe it was an N7007. The lenses used by that camera would not focus on D5600, or any other camera below D7xxx sold today by Nikon.

Of the companies Canon, Pentax, and Nikon, today Nikon's products are least compatible with the lenses produced during the era being discussed in this thread.
I'm not sure why you picked this context for these... (show quote)



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Jan 31, 2018 09:20:59   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
I totally agree with Imagemeister. I have an Elan 7E and an EOS-3. Both are excellent cameras and still work great. I have friends with Rebels, and they are envious of my cameras and what they will do compared to theirs. That said, they do get good images. They just don't have as many options.

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Jan 31, 2018 09:24:18   #
DaveC1 Loc: South East US
 
I currently own a EOS-650, a pair of Canon EF bodies (that take ED lens), a Nikon F4, and three or four other assorted Nikon film bodies. I have also owned a AE-1 program in the past. If I had my heart set on a Canon, the first question is do you have to have auto focus or can you focus yourself? If focusing yourself is not a problem there are better deals on ED lenses out there that are really good lenses (this is the Canon line prior to the EOS line.)

If you have to have auto focus in a Canon your into the EOS line. If you can swing a EOS-1 or the above mentioned EOS-3 that is the top of the line. If not look at a EOS-620 next or a EOS-650. I carry my EOS-650 as much as I carry my Nikon F4 which is heavier than the EOS-650, but also feels much better made ( like you could beat an attacker to death with it and then take pictures of the scene with it.)

Good luck as there are very good deals to be had on film equipment out there.

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Jan 31, 2018 09:38:38   #
kerry12 Loc: Harrisburg, Pa.
 
I don't know about the Rebel K2 but I can tell you that the Canon Elan 7 is a very good film camera. I have 2 of them and really like them and find them to be really well built and dependable. I think the 28mm-90mm lens Is a nice lens. It came with one of my Elan 7's as a kit lens and I used it and liked it a lot. Hope that helps Good luck.
bellgamin wrote:
I have the Canon EOS Rebel K2 SLR film camera in my sights. Used, of course. There are a lot of them at both Ebay & Amazon so -- if I go for this one -- I will have to do a lot of research to raise the odds of buying one in good condition.

There are 2 zoom lens options that interest me -- 28-80mm & 28-90mm. both f3.5-5.6 The spec say that the 80 uses a USM motor to drive the autofocus whereas the 90 uses a DC motor (I have no idea what this means.)


ADVICE PLEASE..... ๐Ÿ˜‡
1- was this a really good camera in its day?
2- if so, which of the 2 zoom lenses should I go for?
I have the Canon EOS Rebel K2 SLR film camera in m... (show quote)

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Jan 31, 2018 09:39:31   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
bellgamin wrote:
I have the Canon EOS Rebel K2 SLR film camera in my sights. Used, of course. There are a lot of them at both Ebay & Amazon so -- if I go for this one -- I will have to do a lot of research to raise the odds of buying one in good condition.

There are 2 zoom lens options that interest me -- 28-80mm & 28-90mm. both f3.5-5.6 The spec say that the 80 uses a USM motor to drive the autofocus whereas the 90 uses a DC motor (I have no idea what this means.)


ADVICE PLEASE..... ๐Ÿ˜‡
1- was this a really good camera in its day?
2- if so, which of the 2 zoom lenses should I go for?
I have the Canon EOS Rebel K2 SLR film camera in m... (show quote)


I don't have a K2, but have used other, similar film cameras (EOS Elan 7E has same AF system, for example).

The Rebel series film cameras are much like the modern digital Rebels.... more entry level models with a lot of auto modes and designed to be pretty easy to use, but with less direct access to more advanced user modes such as full manual exposure. The K2 was one of the last film cameras Canon made, introduced in 2003 if memory serves (in 2004, the Rebel T2 and Elan 7N/7NE were the last film SLRs Canon introduced... the EOS 1V was the very last 35mm film model they made, but it was intro'd in 2000 and finally discontinued in 2015).

It's 7-point AF is simple and adequate for many things (besides the Elan 7E and some other film cameas, the early DSLRs D30, D60 and 10D all use it too). It also uses a 35 zone metering system that's the same or very similar to what was used in many other models, both film and digital.

Canon USM lenses use "ultrasonic" focus motor. You'll find it in most of Canon's better to premium quality lenses. USM is MUCH faster and quieter than the "micro motor" or DC motor used in cheaper lenses.

K2 will be able to use all "EF" lenses.... full frame. It cannot use EF-S "crop only" lenses designed for the APS-C DSLRs (it also cannot use the few EF-M lenses made for the "mirrorless" M-series cameras). Even with the camera's "full frame lens limitation", there is a huge selection and are a lot of excellent lenses to choose among.

I don't know how the K2 would work with the more recent "STM" lenses that use a "stepper motor" focus drive mechanism. STM is faster and quieter than micro motor, too... though not as fast and responsive as USM... But most of STM lenses are EF-S anyway. Only a few are EF. So it's largely a moot point. STM might be preferred for videography, since it's quieter and smoother than most USM. But, of course, a K2 ain't gonna be shooting video, either.

There are also many third party lenses that would work on K2... Sigma, Tamron, Tokina, etc. While they all will fit onto the camera, you'd also want to stick with full frame models of those, too. Sigma calls those "DG" (some with "HSM", which is similar in design and performance to Canon's USM". Tamron calls them "Di" (not "Di II" or "Di III", some Tammy have "USD", similar to USM.) Tokina calls their full frame-capable lenses "FX" (AFAIK, none of them use ultrasonic drive, all use some form of micro motor). Older models dating from the days of film will not have these format distinctions... all their lenses were full frame, back then.

There can be "issues" getting old third party lenses to work properly on newer cameras. For example I have an old Sigma 28-70mm that works fine on film cameras (I've used it on EOS-3 and Elan 7E personally), as well as 10D and 30D digital. But it doesn't work properly with 50D and later DSLRs. It causes the later cameras to go into error mode (no harm done, the camera resets as soon as the lens is removed and the camera is turned off, then back on... or maybe the battery is removed, then reinstalled).

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Jan 31, 2018 10:03:45   #
Bobsan Loc: Elgin,I'll.
 
If you want a great SLR investigate a Nikon F5, 8fs. 1/8000 max. shutter.

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Jan 31, 2018 10:29:35   #
Ted H. Funk
 
Cheese: Good advice & excellent point about the FD & EF lenses which happened when Canon
went into autofocus models, completely changing their mount. The AE-1 was a best-seller for
Canon, sort of like the Mustang for Ford, but for an AF Canon SLR the Elans are hard to beat for
the price---I've got 5 of them, including the IIE, two 7's, 7N, & 7NE (never use the "E" feature which I found to be more of a gimmick and tricky to use when composing).

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