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Jan 23, 2018 20:00:00   #
cytafex Loc: Clarksburg MA
 
ShooterRod wrote:
I was alway envious of the Hasselblad folks....saw their ultra sharp photos and enlargements..envious!
I bought a Kowa 66...way less expensive, but reviews said the optics were excellent.
Thought it would be a burden to carry around, but surprisingly, that size camera is so close to the SLR 35s that
I never felt burdened. Took some nice photos...because it seemed like a special camera to me, I seemed to be
a better photographer with it. The logical progression would be a Hasselblad instead of the large Canon DSLR I
have now....but I've been unable to pull the $$ trigger. I think the same thing has happened to the folks on this
site...I never see words about medium format challenges/problems/triumphs. Is it because of cost..hard to
believe because many of you have released a list of your lenses in present ownership...and you have lots of $$$ involved..
Is it because of the idea that that format is just too large to handle? Is it because of the lack of innumerable
control features that the DSLRs have? Is it because this site devoted to 35mm? Someone needs to post some
nice medium format photos....maybe even comparisons of the same scenes...I for one would love to see
if there is still a difference...and how much the difference is...Thanks...
I was alway envious of the Hasselblad folks....saw... (show quote)


I have 2 Hasselblad bodies, 201F and 500CM and the Zeiss leans are awesome and can be had very inexpensively. What I enjoy is the
simplicity and can do very long time exposure and no noise!

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Jan 23, 2018 20:47:01   #
jackinkc Loc: Kansas City
 
sloscheider wrote:
I have a Holga 120 :-)


I was thinking about getting a KIEV 88, but after seeing this post I realize a Holga - ANY Holga - is far superior.

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Jan 24, 2018 00:38:12   #
sloscheider Loc: Minnesota
 
jackinkc wrote:
I was thinking about getting a KIEV 88, but after seeing this post I realize a Holga - ANY Holga - is far superior.

Indeed! And to think they considered downgrading the optics to glass! The horror....

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Jan 24, 2018 01:18:20   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
ShooterRod wrote:
I was alway envious of the Hasselblad folks....saw their ultra sharp photos and enlargements..envious!
I bought a Kowa 66...way less expensive, but reviews said the optics were excellent.
Thought it would be a burden to carry around, but surprisingly, that size camera is so close to the SLR 35s that
I never felt burdened. Took some nice photos...because it seemed like a special camera to me, I seemed to be
a better photographer with it. The logical progression would be a Hasselblad instead of the large Canon DSLR I
have now....but I've been unable to pull the $$ trigger. I think the same thing has happened to the folks on this
site...I never see words about medium format challenges/problems/triumphs. Is it because of cost..hard to
believe because many of you have released a list of your lenses in present ownership...and you have lots of $$$ involved..
Is it because of the idea that that format is just too large to handle? Is it because of the lack of innumerable
control features that the DSLRs have? Is it because this site devoted to 35mm? Someone needs to post some
nice medium format photos....maybe even comparisons of the same scenes...I for one would love to see
if there is still a difference...and how much the difference is...Thanks...
I was alway envious of the Hasselblad folks....saw... (show quote)


i own both a hasselblad which is 6x6 square and a mamiya rz which is 6x7 centimeters. now here is the interesting problem. i assume you are going digital. okay.
the only digital hasselblads, hold on now, in current production are 6x 4.5 centimeters. the mamiya rz model III will take a digital back. the hasselblad 203, 205 series cameras will also take digital backs. however, for cost benefit i would take the mamiya.

the other way to go is the wonderful contax 645 with its auto focus 6x4.5 format and zeiss lenses and film or digital backs. they are a joy to use but good used ones are expensive. the 120mm manual focus lens for that camera is just brilliant.

and then there is the mamiya 645 another 645 with a non interchangeable prinsm and af lenses and film and digital backs.

any one of these will provide results far exceeding that of a full frame dslr.

so pay your money and take your choice.

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Jan 24, 2018 14:32:52   #
ShooterRod
 
The sensor size of the Hassy 1XD-50c is roughly 4.4x3.3 cm..but your saying the sensor is 6x4.5 cm?? Or are
you talking about the size of the image at the focal point? Obviously, I'm, confused..Thanks... Rod

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Jan 24, 2018 14:38:18   #
Shutterbug57
 
ShooterRod wrote:
The sensor size of the Hassy 1XD-50c is roughly 4.4x3.3 cm..but your saying the sensor is 6x4.5 cm?? Or are
you talking about the size of the image at the focal point? Obviously, I'm, confused..Thanks... Rod


I think he is noting that both 4.4x3.3 & 6x4.5 are both 4x3 aspect ratio rather than square like Hasselblad has traditionally been.

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Jan 24, 2018 14:48:05   #
ShooterRod
 
OK Thanks...I missed it...

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Jan 25, 2018 19:58:11   #
V-man
 
TriX wrote:
Lots of great bargains in medium format film cameras. I still regularly shoot my 6x7 Mamiya RB 67 ProS, and you can now but a complete outfit (body, finder back and lens) for what a back used to cost 10-15 years ago.



Me too, brother...on my second Pro S now, with the 127mm 3.5 K/L lens and the 100-200mm 5.2 zoom. Really nice glass. I need a couple more backs, but I'm working on that.

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Jan 25, 2018 20:28:47   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
V-man wrote:
Me too, brother...on my second Pro S now, with the 127mm 3.5 K/L lens and the 100-200mm 5.2 zoom. Really nice glass. I need a couple more backs, but I'm working on that.

The RH 10 (6x7) backs for the Graflex XL fit, though there is no automatic double exposure prevention.
I had several of those for my RB.

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Jan 25, 2018 21:30:05   #
V-man
 
I can see by the many responses here that most of us still hold dear those magical qualities of film cameras we owned as
youngsters (and still own and use), before the emergence of the "pixelated capture". I own a nice digital, with an L series Pro lens, and admittedly it takes nice images. Big deal. As a dedicated film user too, there is no comparison. I'll take a film neg or slide over a digitized attempt of the same image any day. I've heard it said that with digital, most folks (like those with a "workflow") take tons of photos because they can, not because they should. I've seen projected 6X7 professional transparencies and they are an absolute wonder to behold. I also just recently read that with fine grain 4X5 sheet film, a person would need a camera with 500 megapixels to create a similar image.

Just shy of making sure I've chosen the correct white balance or ISO, the digital camera requires nothing further of me. Sure, it's fun...but I use it for convenience and nothing else. For stirring my creative juices, it ranks up there with turning on the radio. But for stoking the creative fire, for keeping the learning curve steep but attainable, for broadening my goals and horizons, and for the sheer joy of practicing the art of photography....I'll gladly wait, with the anticipation of a child on Christmas morning, for the darkroom results. Film photography is simply too good!!! And the difference is HUGE, unless you're just making postcards!
Kudos to you, ShooterRod...your post is a reminder of how a lot of us came into this marvelous hobby and pastime of photography, and all the joy it brings. With the film equipment market the way it is nowadays, you can find some very affordable deals on wonderful photo items that at least for me were not obtainable even 10 years ago.

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Jan 25, 2018 21:48:18   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
Reading all the comments, one would think this thread is about film - even though the OP made it clear four days ago that it’s about digital!

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Jan 25, 2018 22:04:52   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
RWR wrote:
Reading all the comments, one would think this thread is about film - even though the OP made it clear four days ago that it’s about digital!


It was kidnapped by film or former film shooters wanting a voice.
The OP did say 2 1/4 as MT shooter correctly pointed out is a film format, not digital.

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Jan 26, 2018 05:04:50   #
Shutterbug57
 
pendennis wrote:
You can probably find a metered prism for one fairly cheap. They're accurate, and will work with all the 645's up through the 1000s. I used a 1000s as a back up to my 645 Super for years, and neither ever failed. I still use a 645 Pro TL that I got from Japan, mint condition with 2 lenses, 3 120 backs, all the extension tubes and a 2x TC, all for 500, plus $35 shipping. I've since added a complete battery of lenses from 35mm through 500mm.


My 2 finders came in yesterday. They are in much better shape than I thought from the pictures and the metered finder is the AE finder. It works to automatically set the shutter in aperture priority. I got a bargain with the AE finder and waist level finder for $75.

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Jan 26, 2018 12:02:54   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
RWR wrote:
Reading all the comments, one would think this thread is about film - even though the OP made it clear four days ago that it’s about digital!


correct, and that is why i offered all the choices he/she might be able to make for medium format cameras with available digital film backs. the hasselbad H series are actually made by fuji photofilm and are very, every expensive. whereas the mamiya 645, for instance, with a digital back comes new for around $10,000.00. very inexpensive considering the fact it takes all the traditional film lenses from the original film 645 onwards.

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Jan 26, 2018 12:15:08   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
wj cody wrote:
correct, and that is why i offered all the choices he/she might be able to make for medium format cameras with available digital film backs. the hasselbad H series are actually made by fuji photofilm and are very, every expensive. whereas the mamiya 645, for instance, with a digital back comes new for around $10,000.00. very inexpensive considering the fact it takes all the traditional film lenses from the original film 645 onwards.


Partly correct:
"The H1 camera used Fujinon manufactured lenses and prisms, thus departing from Hasselblad's long association with Carl Zeiss when it comes to lens manufacturing. The shutter in the lenses was still manufactured by Hasselblad as well as the body"

Speaks well of Fuji.

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