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Jan 16, 2018 19:52:50   #
bcrawf
 
bpulv wrote:
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens on the basics of photography. Many of these people have no math skills and will not understand formulas. I need a graphic to show them how the f-stop numbers are related to focal length. I remember an illustration I saw many years ago where instead of showing head-on side-by-side views of diaphragms set to each f-stop (like almost all the illustrations I have found), it showed circles over layed on the centerline of an illustration of the lens to focal length distance to the film plane. E.g., f2.0 was illustrated with two circles each half the diameter of the focal length sided by side fitting the distance while f8.0, for example, had eight circles side by side on the line shown below. Each f-stop was shown in a series of separate similar drawings, one below the other on the same illustration.

I have spent hours with Google trying to find such an illustration without success. I do not have either the drafting skills or the software necessary to produce one myself. Could someone please direct me to a source for such an illustration or provide me one.

Thank you!
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens... (show quote)


Mainly, you need to show them the difference it makes what aperture is used, then back it up with one simple diagram. A series of photos with foreground and background (fuzzy and sharp) should be fairly easy to create for demo. I hope you have a projector.

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Jan 16, 2018 19:56:14   #
bcrawf
 
bpulv wrote:
That would work for showing depth of field, but I am trying to show the relation of f-stop to focal length; i.e., how the f-numbers are derived without going into hard mathematics.


For the nitty-gritty details, refer them to a couple of books, but demonstrate the basic control in class.

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Jan 16, 2018 20:10:13   #
sawdust_128
 
At 80 - 90 years of age, they want to know the time not how to build a watch. Just sayin'

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Jan 16, 2018 20:21:17   #
frankie c Loc: Lake Havasu CIty, AZ
 
Horseart wrote:
Well, since I am not a good photographer and do not claim to be anything more than an artist, what I have to say about this is not important and I'm sure will matter to no one at all, but being one of those seniors between the ages of 80 and 90, I think I know what will be fun for them and what will bore them to the point of wishing they were somewhere else. I not only FEEL what they feel, but I sometimes teach seniors to paint at Sr. Citizens Centers and Senior Sunday School classes at Churches. I show them they CAN do it and they are thrilled to see what they have done when it's over. Their attention span is not as long as middle aged people, so holding their attention long enough to learn much is not easy. Keep it simple. Teach them about the importance of good lighting first, then teach them simple stuff, like, not to have trees or poles coming out of heads or backs and make it FUN. Teach them when to fill the frame with a subject and when to back way off. Keep the wording simple, not words they will have to ask about. It's doubtful that they are out to sell photos. Just keep foremost in your mind that they want to have FUN making better pictures, not necessarily masterpieces. I'm sure that what I have said may do nothing for anyone but those seniors who are about to either have a great time or......
Well, since I am not a good photographer and do no... (show quote)


I hope you understand your reply is the only one here that makes any sense.... :) thanx

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Jan 16, 2018 20:28:33   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
sawdust_128 wrote:
At 80 - 90 years of age, they want to know the time not how to build a watch. Just sayin'



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Jan 16, 2018 21:07:58   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
bpulv wrote:
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens on the basics of photography. Many of these people have no math skills and will not understand formulas. I need a graphic to show them how the f-stop numbers are related to focal length. I remember an illustration I saw many years ago where instead of showing head-on side-by-side views of diaphragms set to each f-stop (like almost all the illustrations I have found), it showed circles over layed on the centerline of an illustration of the lens to focal length distance to the film plane. E.g., f2.0 was illustrated with two circles each half the diameter of the focal length sided by side fitting the distance while f8.0, for example, had eight circles side by side on the line shown below. Each f-stop was shown in a series of separate similar drawings, one below the other on the same illustration.

I have spent hours with Google trying to find such an illustration without success. I do not have either the drafting skills or the software necessary to produce one myself. Could someone please direct me to a source for such an illustration or provide me one.

Thank you!
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens... (show quote)


Hi, bpulv,
Here are a couple graphics I’€™ve used in my classes, and have been told that they helped more than a few of my students “see the lights” concerning relative apertures.

I hope they may be of help.

Best regards,

Dave Graham


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Jan 16, 2018 21:35:32   #
bcrawf
 
Uuglypher wrote:
Hi, bpulv,
Here are a couple graphics I’€™ve used in my classes, and have been told that they helped more than a few of my students “see the lights” concerning relative apertures.

I hope they may be of help.

Best regards,

Dave Graham


Your photos should change shutter speed to keep the same exposure as you change aperture, since your goal is to show the depth of field changing as aperture changes.

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Jan 16, 2018 21:46:06   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
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Jan 16, 2018 22:43:47   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
bpulv wrote:
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens on the basics of photography. Many of these people have no math skills and will not understand formulas. I need a graphic to show them how the f-stop numbers are related to focal length. I remember an illustration I saw many years ago where instead of showing head-on side-by-side views of diaphragms set to each f-stop (like almost all the illustrations I have found), it showed circles over layed on the centerline of an illustration of the lens to focal length distance to the film plane. E.g., f2.0 was illustrated with two circles each half the diameter of the focal length sided by side fitting the distance while f8.0, for example, had eight circles side by side on the line shown below. Each f-stop was shown in a series of separate similar drawings, one below the other on the same illustration.

I have spent hours with Google trying to find such an illustration without success. I do not have either the drafting skills or the software necessary to produce one myself. Could someone please direct me to a source for such an illustration or provide me one.

Thank you!
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens... (show quote)



Why one just draw what you described and photograph it?

I can’t draw either; that’s why we have rulers.

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Jan 16, 2018 23:04:12   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
bcrawf wrote:
Your photos should change shutter speed to keep the same exposure as you change aperture, since your goal is to show the depth of field changing as aperture changes.


The graphics used in my classes are intended to be accompanied by my commentary and serve as a basis for discussion and Q and A. The series of full stop images is not the series I use to illustrate the relation of DOF and aperture. It’s intent is to illustrate what a doubling and halving of brightness actually is. It invariably is a surprising realization that it is a far more subtle difference than the beginning student initially imagines it ought be...and, of course, boggles the initiates’ minds when half-stops and third-stops are mentioned.

The first two graphics seemed, from the OP’s post, to illustrate what he stated he wished to illustrate.

Thanks for looking and commenting.

Best regards,
Dave

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Jan 17, 2018 00:42:05   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
aellman wrote:
And also, "Keep it simple, stupid."


See above:. stillkickin (a regular here) Joined: Dec 18, 2017 Posts: 141 Loc: Coastal Bend of Texas

I have a photo of that myself. It actually really helped. KISS, keep it simple stupid. Not meaning you of course.

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Jan 17, 2018 01:04:18   #
sloscheider Loc: Minnesota
 
I've taught community education classes, one of them being "the exposure triangle" and what I did was tether my camera so I could display shots immediately on the big screen TV in the room. With the camera on a tripod I placed 2 stuffed animals and a fan set on low in a straight line. One stuffy was as close as possible and still be in focus, the fan was a few feet further away and the 2nd stuffy was about 10 or so feet away. I set my focus on the fan then with a fixed ISO I cycled through f stops from small to large so people could see the depth of field change with f-stop and the fan blades gradually going from a blur to swipes and then to nearly stopped motion as the shutter speed progressed from long to short.

This worked WAY better than trying to explain the math and the students were the ones making the discoveries while I changed settings. I also had a handout showing charts similar to the ones other have offered up so students who wanted to could relate what they were seeing to the math on the charts.

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Jan 17, 2018 07:12:03   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
bpulv wrote:
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens on the basics of photography. Many of these people have no math skills and will not understand formulas. I need a graphic to show them how the f-stop numbers are related to focal length. I remember an illustration I saw many years ago where instead of showing head-on side-by-side views of diaphragms set to each f-stop (like almost all the illustrations I have found), it showed circles over layed on the centerline of an illustration of the lens to focal length distance to the film plane. E.g., f2.0 was illustrated with two circles each half the diameter of the focal length sided by side fitting the distance while f8.0, for example, had eight circles side by side on the line shown below. Each f-stop was shown in a series of separate similar drawings, one below the other on the same illustration.

I have spent hours with Google trying to find such an illustration without success. I do not have either the drafting skills or the software necessary to produce one myself. Could someone please direct me to a source for such an illustration or provide me one.

Thank you!
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens... (show quote)

I think you need to rethink your curriculum. I bet 80% of folks here (including me) don't understand the relationship between f-stop and focal length and do fine without it. I had to look it up in Wikipedia. Start them with some basic introduction to composition. That is something they can use immediately regardless of what type of camera they use.

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Jan 17, 2018 07:55:11   #
Tomfl101 Loc: Mount Airy, MD
 
I seem to recall learning that concept after reading the old Time-Life series on photography back in the 70's. There may be a graphic showing this relationship. Try "The Camera". Unfortunately I lost my copies years ago but those books can be bought used for only a few dollars each on Amazon and although they're all about film, the basic concepts of lens construction, design and focal relationships are of course still relevant.

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Jan 17, 2018 08:19:04   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
Uuglypher wrote:
Hi, bpulv,
Here are a couple graphics I’€™ve used in my classes, and have been told that they helped more than a few of my students “see the lights” concerning relative apertures.

I hope they may be of help.

Best regards,

Dave Graham


As I said in so many words to the OP, if I were a senior (which I am) with no serious experience (which I am not), this would fry my brain, and I would tend not to return to the class. Think like the audience, not like an expert. >AL

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