Ban on Photo Manipulation (Page 13): Well said, says the 60 something white guy, with no daughters. Now I do like real, fit women -say Lindsay Vonn, but also others that have a much...

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

aschweik wrote:

As a person who works with middle school girls, I ... (show quote)

Well said, says the 60 something white guy, with no daughters. Now I do like real, fit women -say Lindsay Vonn, but also others that have a much different body style - say Michelle Obama. We do not want to have people try to fit themselves into the world as Hollywood or the fashion industry sees it. It frequently ends badly.

JaiGieEse Loc: Foxworth, MS

tinwhistle wrote:

I certainly did not read all 11 pages of this drivel, so maybe somewhere in there someone splashed a bit of common sense. What ever happened to individual responsibility? "Big Brother" at his baddest: "you poor miserable individuals, can't make a determination on your own. I'll tell you what to believe, I'll tell you what the truth is, I'll regulate your whole life". Geez, people, get a grip!!

Amen.

jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska

Country Boy wrote:

I hate unrealistic images in advertising - especially those that advertise burgers and fries. That is where they should draw a line!

Hahaha, probably because they're made of plastic? You never see anyone actually biting into one.

Jamers Loc: Michigan

mrpentaxk5ii wrote:

There is a big difference between working on a landscape photo and taking a photo of a woman and use PP to slim her down to sell a product.

edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho

DWU2 wrote:

I think it's just another example of political correctness.

Amen to that!

All said and done, I find it rather ironic that we run out and spend several thousand bucks for the very best camera and lenses then run home PS every damn one of the images we capture...

Alas the add man cometh and soon reality is difficult to discern.

JaiGieEse Loc: Foxworth, MS

Peterff wrote:

Well said, says the 60 something white guy, with no daughters. Now I do like real, fit women -say Lindsay Vonn, but also others that have a much different body style - say Michelle Obama. We do not want to have people try to fit themselves into the world as Hollywood or the fashion industry sees it. It frequently ends badly.

I have tired considerably of this increasingly used and abused tactic of discounting the opinions of a certain segment of our society. To wit: The feelings, need, wants and opinions of "older white guys" are to be automatically dismissed. This archaic drivel is becoming louder and louder. I've recently rewatched a few older TV mini-series - "The Winds of War," "War and Remembrance," and "Masada" and have seen quite a lot of vivid documentation of what governments and nations of this world did to Jewish people. Frighteningly enough, the arguments in support of this gross discrimination, as articulated by those in power during two different periods of our history, seem to be quite close to those views presented by those who today are out to downplay and dismiss "older white guys." Oprah Winfrey said during a televised interview that "older white folks just have to die." At the time, I thought it was a stupid statement. Now, I begin to wonder when some on the left will start to advocate concentration camps or reeducation camps for all us "older white guys."

Seems that "older white guy" has become the new N*****.

I apologize for interjecting this into this apparently unrelated thread, but it appears that the original intent of the OP was diluted and dismantled long ago. And methinks it's time for those who do not accept the "progressive," PC view of this society to begin to speak up.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

JaiGieEse wrote:

I have tired considerably of this increasingly use... (show quote)

Maybe that is what I was doing, as an older white guy, speaking up. And if I get into trouble I have some very fierce women that have my back. Where does that leave us?

terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii

thats what I said the difference is we let the camera software decide I sure like doing my own adjustments so that it comes out as what I saw when I took the shot.

jackm1943 wrote:

Your jpeg has been manipulated also, just in-camera as the photographer has the camera set up.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

JaiGieEse wrote:

Seems that "older white guy" has become the new N****.

I am a 70 year old white guy - I think that qualifies me for OWG status.

So, how does being sensitive to the needs of others hurt us???

I have a wife and two daughters.
How does being sensitive to the needs of people like them hurt us??

This is not a zero sum game.
We don't lose by enabling them to have healthy self-images.

JaiGieEse Loc: Foxworth, MS

rehess wrote:

I am a 70 year old white guy - I think that qualifies me for OWG status.

So, how does being sensitive to the needs of others hurt us???

I have a wife and two daughters.
How does being sensitive to the needs of people like them hurt us??

This is not a zero sum game.
We don't lose by enabling them to have healthy self-images.

Well spoken, but it misses the point of my admittedly off-topic comment.

Bobsphoto

Wow - I thought this was a photography discussion.

TheDman Loc: USA

edrobinsonjr wrote:

Amen to that!

All said and done, I find it rather ironic that we run out and spend several thousand bucks for the very best camera and lenses then run home PS every damn one of the images we capture...

Alas the add man cometh and soon reality is difficult to discern.

No more ironic than spending a boatload on the fanciest camera only to run out and drop even more on a fancy lens.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Bobsphoto wrote:

Wow - I thought this was a photography discussion.

It is. Just a certain aspect of photography....

radiojohn

Yep. Educating people on media literacy and fact-checking is what is needed, not warning labels on photos.

Jetman

I get this point of view, but I disagree. I have 3 overweight daughters. They have always been comfortable with their appearance and felt no pressure to get in shape. Isn't that the crux of these objections slanted towards "realistic" appearance? Maybe a little peer pressure towards slimness is a good thing? Maybe the ideal SHOULD be slanted towards "in shape" not "couch potato", which we are seeing a lot of on YouTube now.
Look at your icon and mine. Who would you buy from if you were under 50? Without makeup and my orange halo I look just like you. A fairly good looking guy for 70 (which We are), but I'd loose half my sales to people not trusting someone who is senile and over the hill.
If fat folks don't want to compete in life then get comfortable where you're at, but why should I quit doing sit-ups because You think I'm making some young chick feel bad? 60% of our children are overweight, but have better self esteem than Chinese kids. The government, nor public opinion can legislate morality, nor good health no matter how hard they try. I create art/pics and TV the way I want life to be. If I wanted actual reality I'd do Hitler pics. He was in pretty good shape without photoshop.
(sorry I can't agree with you. I really am!)
Donald Jetman is a Vice President of Atlantic Cable Network. acn.one and acn news. none of which is "Reality TV". at least not the part I produce.
PS. Mr. Swanda, (the post before this one) should we depend on making things appear Worse than they really are? or isn't "Worse" the opposite of "Better" anymore? This was a fun topic tho. Wasn't it?