Voter Purge Efforts Likely to Spread After Florida Victory in Database Case
Jul 17, 2012 00:37:19 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
I fear your hopes regarding the state are misplaced. You do recall the 90 year old decorated vet who was removed!
No one has called for illegals voting!
That is as much of a myth as excessive voter fraud!
No one has called for illegals voting!
That is as much of a myth as excessive voter fraud!
Jul 17, 2012 00:43:52 #
Fox News Didn't report that story!
ole sarg wrote:
I fear your hopes regarding the state are misplaced. You do recall the 90 year old decorated vet who was removed!
No one has called for illegals voting!
That is as much of a myth as excessive voter fraud!
No one has called for illegals voting!
That is as much of a myth as excessive voter fraud!
Jul 17, 2012 06:06:24 #
konica135
Loc: Ormond Beach, FL
Frank T wrote:
How is disfranchising voters good for democracy? Answer: It's not.
The strategy here isn't the sanctity of the vote, it's removing minorities and the poor from the voter roles. First you take the poor off, then you take minorities off, then the elderly and then they come to you. But then it will be too late.
The strategy here isn't the sanctity of the vote, it's removing minorities and the poor from the voter roles. First you take the poor off, then you take minorities off, then the elderly and then they come to you. But then it will be too late.
The idea is to allow only US citizens, who are legally eligible, to vote. Illegals, felons, the dead, etc. do not have that right and MUST be purged from voter lists. And the idea of having a picture ID shouldn't be such a big issue. Your driver's license, passport etc. work and you have to have one for most business/medical transactions. Those who don't drive can get picture IDs from most MV department.
Jul 17, 2012 06:11:37 #
konica135
Loc: Ormond Beach, FL
Frank T wrote:
Yes dumbass, I've gone to school. I learned the words, prejudice, bigot, corrupt and narrow minded just to name a few.
Seems you're the D/A. Seems you are in the Obama socialist camp trying to undermine the tenets of this country. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives anyone the right to vote. It is a privilege reserved for legal eligible residents. Why should illegals and convicted felons partake in determining the future of the US?
Jul 17, 2012 07:08:09 #
Reddog wrote:
We all know voter fraud is not the issue, its to keep minorities from voting!
Do we know??????????????????
Jul 17, 2012 07:11:09 #
ole sarg wrote:
No one has called for illegals voting!
Obama did...Imagine that..............
Jul 17, 2012 09:30:22 #
When I become Emperor, only people who pay taxes will be qualified to vote.
Jul 17, 2012 09:33:11 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
Although the Constitution does not specifically say there is a right to vote there are a number of amendments that strongly indicate that no state can surpress the right to vote except where it specifically gives the states that right.
see wiki:
The United States Constitution, in Article VI, section 3, stipulates that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." The Constitution, however, leaves the determination of voting qualifications to the individual states. Over time, the federal role in elections has increased through amendments to the Constitution and enacted legislation, such as the Voting Rights Act of 1965.[1] At least four of the fifteen post-Civil War constitutional amendments were ratified specifically to extend voting rights to different groups of citizens. These extensions state that voting rights cannot be denied or abridged based on the following:
Birth - "All persons born or naturalized" "are citizens" of the US and the US State where they reside (14th Amendment, 1868)
"Race, color, or previous condition of servitude" - (15th Amendment, 1870)
"On account of sex" - (19th Amendment, 1920)
In Washington, DC, presidential elections after 164 year suspension by US Congress (23rd Amendment, 1961)
(For federal elections) "By reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax" - (24th Amendment, 1964)
(For state elections) Taxes - (Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966))
"Who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age" (26th Amendment, 1971).
In addition, the 17th Amendment provided for the direct election of United States Senators.
The "right to vote" is explicitly stated in the US Constitution in the above referenced amendments but only in reference to the fact that the franchise cannot be denied or abridged based solely on the aforementioned qualifications. In other words, the "right to vote" is perhaps better understood, in layman's terms, as only prohibiting certain forms of legal discrimination in establishing qualifications for suffrage. States may deny the "right to vote" for other reasons.
For example, many states require eligible citizens to register to vote a set number of days prior to the election in order to vote. More controversial restrictions include those laws that prohibit convicted felons from voting or, as seen in Bush v. Gore, disputes as to what rules should apply in counting or recounting ballots [2]
A state may choose to fill an office by means other than an election. For example, upon death or resignation of a legislator, the state may allow the affiliated political party to choose a replacement to hold office until the next scheduled election. Such an appointment is often affirmed by the governor.[3]
Abolition of property qualifications for white men, 1812-1860 see: Jacksonian democracy
Citizenship in both the US and US States by birth or naturalization, 1868 see: Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Non-white men, 1870 see: Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Direct election of senators, 1913 see: Seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution gave voters rather than state legislatures the right to elect senators[4]
Women, 1920 see: Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Native Americans, 1924 see:[5]
Residents of the District of Columbia for US Presidential Elections, 1961 see: Twenty-third Amendment to the United States Constitution
Poor, 1964 see: Twenty-fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution, prohibiting imposition of poll tax in Federal elections
Racial minorities in certain states, 1965 see Voting Rights Act
Poor, 1966 see: Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966), prohibiting imposition of poll tax or property requirements in all US elections.
Adults between 18 and 21, 1971 see: Twenty-sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution,[6] were granted the vote in response to Vietnam War protests which argued that soldiers who are old enough to fight for their country should be old enough to vote.[4]
Washington, DC, for restoring local elections such as Mayor and Councilmen, after 100 year gap in Georgetown, and 190 gap in the wider city, ending Congress's policy of local election disenfranchisement started in 1801 in this former portion of Maryland, 1973, see: DC Home rule
United States Military and Uniformed Services, Merchant Marine, other Citizens overseas, living on bases in the US, abroad, or aboard ship, 1986 see: Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act[7]
[edit]Limitations of franchise
Restoring District of Columbia voting rights for full voting US Representatives in the US House, US Senators in US Senate, State Offices such as elected State Governor and State Legislature, all of these repealed since 1801 by the US Congress.
Granting Statehood to current US territories that have never had statehood, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, and several others.[citation needed]
National Standard for voting in primaries if 18th birthday is between the primary and the election.
National Standard for prisoner disenfranchisement.
see wiki:
The United States Constitution, in Article VI, section 3, stipulates that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." The Constitution, however, leaves the determination of voting qualifications to the individual states. Over time, the federal role in elections has increased through amendments to the Constitution and enacted legislation, such as the Voting Rights Act of 1965.[1] At least four of the fifteen post-Civil War constitutional amendments were ratified specifically to extend voting rights to different groups of citizens. These extensions state that voting rights cannot be denied or abridged based on the following:
Birth - "All persons born or naturalized" "are citizens" of the US and the US State where they reside (14th Amendment, 1868)
"Race, color, or previous condition of servitude" - (15th Amendment, 1870)
"On account of sex" - (19th Amendment, 1920)
In Washington, DC, presidential elections after 164 year suspension by US Congress (23rd Amendment, 1961)
(For federal elections) "By reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax" - (24th Amendment, 1964)
(For state elections) Taxes - (Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966))
"Who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age" (26th Amendment, 1971).
In addition, the 17th Amendment provided for the direct election of United States Senators.
The "right to vote" is explicitly stated in the US Constitution in the above referenced amendments but only in reference to the fact that the franchise cannot be denied or abridged based solely on the aforementioned qualifications. In other words, the "right to vote" is perhaps better understood, in layman's terms, as only prohibiting certain forms of legal discrimination in establishing qualifications for suffrage. States may deny the "right to vote" for other reasons.
For example, many states require eligible citizens to register to vote a set number of days prior to the election in order to vote. More controversial restrictions include those laws that prohibit convicted felons from voting or, as seen in Bush v. Gore, disputes as to what rules should apply in counting or recounting ballots [2]
A state may choose to fill an office by means other than an election. For example, upon death or resignation of a legislator, the state may allow the affiliated political party to choose a replacement to hold office until the next scheduled election. Such an appointment is often affirmed by the governor.[3]
Abolition of property qualifications for white men, 1812-1860 see: Jacksonian democracy
Citizenship in both the US and US States by birth or naturalization, 1868 see: Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Non-white men, 1870 see: Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Direct election of senators, 1913 see: Seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution gave voters rather than state legislatures the right to elect senators[4]
Women, 1920 see: Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Native Americans, 1924 see:[5]
Residents of the District of Columbia for US Presidential Elections, 1961 see: Twenty-third Amendment to the United States Constitution
Poor, 1964 see: Twenty-fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution, prohibiting imposition of poll tax in Federal elections
Racial minorities in certain states, 1965 see Voting Rights Act
Poor, 1966 see: Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966), prohibiting imposition of poll tax or property requirements in all US elections.
Adults between 18 and 21, 1971 see: Twenty-sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution,[6] were granted the vote in response to Vietnam War protests which argued that soldiers who are old enough to fight for their country should be old enough to vote.[4]
Washington, DC, for restoring local elections such as Mayor and Councilmen, after 100 year gap in Georgetown, and 190 gap in the wider city, ending Congress's policy of local election disenfranchisement started in 1801 in this former portion of Maryland, 1973, see: DC Home rule
United States Military and Uniformed Services, Merchant Marine, other Citizens overseas, living on bases in the US, abroad, or aboard ship, 1986 see: Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act[7]
[edit]Limitations of franchise
Restoring District of Columbia voting rights for full voting US Representatives in the US House, US Senators in US Senate, State Offices such as elected State Governor and State Legislature, all of these repealed since 1801 by the US Congress.
Granting Statehood to current US territories that have never had statehood, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, and several others.[citation needed]
National Standard for voting in primaries if 18th birthday is between the primary and the election.
National Standard for prisoner disenfranchisement.
Jul 17, 2012 09:48:44 #
Sarg, that is a Red Herring, nobody is advocating for voter suppression, only for accuracy in our voting rolls.
Jul 17, 2012 09:49:41 #
ole sarg wrote:
Although the Constitution does not specifically say there is a right to vote there are a number of amendments that strongly indicate that no state can surpress the right to vote except where it specifically gives the states that right.
The word for today....Bandwidth...............
Jul 17, 2012 10:02:04 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
ARchie can you provide a source for the statement that President endorsed illegals voting or one that encourages illegals to vote?
Jul 17, 2012 11:54:20 #
ole sarg wrote:
ARchie can you provide a source for the statement that President endorsed illegals voting or one that encourages illegals to vote?
Can you provide a source that the President does not endorsed illegals voting????????????
Jul 17, 2012 12:15:29 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
Illegal voting is against the law and that is an impeachable offense.
Also, looked for about 30 minutes on the web for such a statement and could not find one.
Now your proof?
Also, looked for about 30 minutes on the web for such a statement and could not find one.
Now your proof?
Jul 17, 2012 12:41:42 #
ole sarg wrote:
Illegal voting is against the law and that is an impeachable offense.
Also, looked for about 30 minutes on the web for such a statement and could not find one.
Now your proof?
Also, looked for about 30 minutes on the web for such a statement and could not find one.
Now your proof?
I know you did not ask for my help but...
http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=691
http://www.illegalaliens.us/votefraud.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/15/scott-gesslers-voter-frau_n_1674405.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/letters/obama_election_scheme_winning_through_BAlE8cajHFSkY9vAYv2gJO
There are alot more. Shall I keep listing them for you?
Jul 17, 2012 12:52:03 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
see
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joanne-bamberger/voter-id-laws-voter-suppression_b_1677860.html
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/04/24/the-myth-of-voter-fraud
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html
I could go on.
The fact remains when the claims of rampant voter fraud have all been proven to be false.
You can believe as you please, but the facts just don't bear out the claims.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joanne-bamberger/voter-id-laws-voter-suppression_b_1677860.html
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/04/24/the-myth-of-voter-fraud
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html
I could go on.
The fact remains when the claims of rampant voter fraud have all been proven to be false.
You can believe as you please, but the facts just don't bear out the claims.
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