I am not sure how you can even try to compare any narcissistic tendencies which Obama manifested, to the blatant extreme narcissism which Trump exhibits on a very persistent basis.

Examples of Trump's behaviors get debated frequently on here. Obama gets called a narcissist every once in a while, but I have never heard any one making those claims back them up with examples of actions by Obama which would indicate that everything was about him.

I would invite you to share some of your observations on Obama's narcissistic behaviors.

Most any one pushed up to high office is going to have at least some egoism to deal with. While I did not always agree with his policies, I thought Obama carried himself with at least a bit of humility relative to any ego exhibited.

I don't think Trump even knows how to spell humility. His narcissism is pretty powerful. I will be happy to share my observations on that. But I do invite you to take a leadership role and be the first poster ever to actually explain why some think Obama suffers an even worse case of the disorder.

Like I told Thom, count the frequency in which he used the word I or my in his speeches, rarely we or us, he spoke as if he were the only authority. Then look how cavalierly drew his red lines, or use terms such as that would change my calculations. Trump is a braggart but Obama was a narcissist, then we were left with his legacy, the bad deal with Iran, the confiscation of millions of acres of land, and his mismanagement of our military because his values were supreme to those charged with leading the military. Obama was the most narcissistic of all.

Like I told Thom, count the frequency in which he used the word I or my in his speeches, rarely we or us, he spoke as if he were the only authority. Then look how cavalierly drew his red lines, or use terms such as that would change my calculations. Trump is a braggart but Obama was a narcissist, then we were left with his legacy, the bad deal with Iran, the confiscation of millions of acres of land, and his mismanagement of our military because his values were supreme to those charged with leading the military. Obama was the most narcissistic of all.

Sounds like the use of first person convinces you of narcissism. It might be a symptom if many other symptoms were present.

Red lines, the give em whatever they want deals with Iran (nukes) and China (greenhouse gas emissions), land management, military bungles are all managment and policy issues, not narcissistic traits.

I guess I could argue that the deals with Iran and China were done so he could have his name on the agreements. But I tend to think they were the result of him being a wimp.

Sounds like all you have is his habit of using first person too much (in your opinion.)

OK, and thanks for sharing your analysis.

How am I confused? I asked you a simple question which requires a simple yes or no answer. "Are you happy with Obama doubling our national debt from 9 trillion dollars to over 20 trillion dollars while he was in office?" Can you not answer this simple question?

My experience with people such as you who resort to name calling and refusing to answer direct questions about their beliefs are trying to deflect because they know their point is completely wrong. You have made my point.