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Jan 3, 2018 10:05:11   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
mr spock wrote:
Those that came before me have given you very sound advice to help you make your decision.
My only comment would be: IMHO Best Buy is one of the last places to purchase photo equipment


If you buy over the Internet, stick with

Adorama
B&H
Cameta
KEH Used

These are the stalwarts of the camera retail industry. They have nearly spotless reputations among most of us here. I have ordered from all of them and had great service.

KEH Used always under-rates their gear. The two used lenses I bought from them are flawless. They arrived in like-new condition.

All that said, buy locally if you can. You want to get your hands on the gear to try before you buy.

Rental companies: https://www.lensrentals.com/ and https://www.borrowlenses.com/

Oh yeah... I agree with avoiding Best Buy! They tend to be clueless.

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Jan 3, 2018 10:14:24   #
BuckeyeBilly Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
 
scuff wrote:
Hello everyone. I dabbled a little with film photography before my 17yo was born and then got busy with (5) kids. I'm wanting to get into it again and get beyond pics on the iphone. I like taking pictures of my family and friends, nature and some architecture.

So, help me pic a camera, please! Reading reviews and people's posts over the past week, I was leaning towards a Nikon 5500. I just went to Best Buy to look in person and I liked the 5500, but also really liked the Fujifilm x-T20.

So, between those two:
The Nikon: I really liked the way it felt in my hands. It's bigger, but gave me something to grip onto. It was a little confusing to figure out how to make it work at first. Then, I figured out that it wasn't going to let me take pictures without a card in it. So, I'm not dumb, they just had a poor display not really allowing me to actually try out the camera. That part was a bit frustrating. But, I imagine it's not an impossible hurdle once I really sat down with one.

The Fujifilm: It seems the most intuitive. It looks and feels a lot like the old Canon FTb film camera that I have. Everything is plainly labeled and didn't take any effort to just pick up and use. I didn't know anything about it before going to the store, though. I never see it discussed (but perhaps just didn't notice. Everyone seems to have Nikon or Canon). It says that it's mirrorless, which I imagine has to do with the inner-workings of the camera. But, I have no idea if that's good or not. It's also a couple hundred dollars more expensive and seems harder to find used (after a quick ebay/amazon search) I'd have to wait a little to get this one. But not too long since tax time is coming up quickly. Is there perhaps a slightly lesser model that's still good, but not as $$?

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Hello everyone. I dabbled a little with film photo... (show quote)


Scuff, since you are willing to wait for possibly getting the Fuji, here is a website for you to take a little time to compare other cameras with the D5500. There are 6 cameras listed in the same category as the D5500, 6 in the pro level, and 6 in the mirrorless category. Don't let that overwhelm you. You'll be able to take a quick glance at the cost of each one which will allow you to immediately eliminate some of them. The very next thing I would do is to research the dimensions and the weight of the D5500 simply because you said it felt good in your hands. Some of that is attributable to design but the size and weight matters significantly so, for a balanced opportunity of comparison, look at the list and see which ones are the same or very nearly the same as the D5500. Doing this will certainly narrow the list and you won't feel so overwhelmed, but you need to decide on this camera for yourself so give it a running start by following these suggestions. And, by the way, any of the cameras on this comparison page are worthy of consideration---they'll do what you tell them to do, which is what being a photographer is anyway! Good luck in your search.
http://snapsort.com/cameras/Nikon-D5500-competitors

You might also consider looking at a couple of cameras made by Pentax, the K-70 and the K3. I have owned Pentax before and they truly are a very worthy competitor to the Nikons and Canons, having a VERY good solid feel and one of the best parts is that IMAGE STABILIZATION is built in to the camera body instead of in the lens (the D5500 may have this feature but, regardless, it is still something for you to consider as well no matter which cameras you look at).
http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon-D5500-vs-Pentax-K-70/detailed
http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon-D5500-vs-Pentax-K-3/detailed

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Jan 3, 2018 10:16:22   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
"The 18–55 from Fuji is an exceptional kit lens, nothing like what comes with the Nikon. "

I have no experience with the kit lens made by Fuji but I am pretty familiar with the 18-55 AF lens made by Nikon. It is a very good optic considering its price.
Referring now to the OP, if the Fuji feels great in your hands that is the camera you should buy.

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Jan 3, 2018 10:27:52   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
scuff wrote:
Hello everyone. I dabbled a little with film photography before my 17yo was born and then got busy with (5) kids. I'm wanting to get into it again and get beyond pics on the iphone. I like taking pictures of my family and friends, nature and some architecture.

So, help me pic a camera, please! Reading reviews and people's posts over the past week, I was leaning towards a Nikon 5500. I just went to Best Buy to look in person and I liked the 5500, but also really liked the Fujifilm x-T20.

So, between those two:
The Nikon: I really liked the way it felt in my hands. It's bigger, but gave me something to grip onto. It was a little confusing to figure out how to make it work at first. Then, I figured out that it wasn't going to let me take pictures without a card in it. So, I'm not dumb, they just had a poor display not really allowing me to actually try out the camera. That part was a bit frustrating. But, I imagine it's not an impossible hurdle once I really sat down with one.

The Fujifilm: It seems the most intuitive. It looks and feels a lot like the old Canon FTb film camera that I have. Everything is plainly labeled and didn't take any effort to just pick up and use. I didn't know anything about it before going to the store, though. I never see it discussed (but perhaps just didn't notice. Everyone seems to have Nikon or Canon). It says that it's mirrorless, which I imagine has to do with the inner-workings of the camera. But, I have no idea if that's good or not. It's also a couple hundred dollars more expensive and seems harder to find used (after a quick ebay/amazon search) I'd have to wait a little to get this one. But not too long since tax time is coming up quickly. Is there perhaps a slightly lesser model that's still good, but not as $$?

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Hello everyone. I dabbled a little with film photo... (show quote)


Try some comparison sites.

Read comparisons and specs, and decide what features are important to you.
(Reviews) https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCameraStoreTV/videos
http://www.cameradecision.com/
http://cameras.reviewed.com/
http://camerasize.com/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
http://snapsort.com/compare
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/cameras?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=mainmenu&utm_medium=text&ref=mainmenu

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Jan 3, 2018 10:32:24   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
scuff wrote:
Hello everyone. I dabbled <snip, snip>
Thoughts? Suggestions?


If you go back to the store take blank cards with you in the sizes the cameras need that you want to test but don't forget to format the cards in the different cameras. You can then bring your test shots home and analyze them on your computer.

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Jan 3, 2018 10:51:07   #
TSHDGTL
 
If you like the feel of the D5500 but the usability of the Fuji you might like the Sony A-mount cameras. They are a DSLR type camera with mirrorless features. The A68 has features not available on entry DSLR's like the D5500 and can use older Minolta lenses wich are a deal.

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Jan 3, 2018 11:37:34   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Modern cameras offer features that you may want to research. Starting with a fewer featured camera practically guarantees you will want to upgrade. It might be more profitable to spend more on capable lenses but make sure future body uogrades do not obsolete them. So take your time researching.

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Jan 3, 2018 12:27:11   #
nhastings Loc: Telluride, CO
 
I recently purchased the Fuji X-T2. I also have tons of Canon equipment. I love my X-T2 and would highly recommend it to anyone willing to spend the money. I also have 4 lenses with it. Great, lightweight camera with outstanding IQ.

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Jan 3, 2018 13:37:30   #
scuff
 
I'm going to go back up to BB (I don't want to waste a salesman's time if going used, so Best Buy is good enough for now) and look at them (and others recommended) again. Thanks for all the comments. I'm reading them all, even if I didn't respond to you personally. May need to wait a bit just to learn more pre-purchase!

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Jan 3, 2018 14:05:16   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
burkphoto wrote:
That Nikon is a dSLR (digital single lens reflex). The dSLR design uses a mirror and a pentaprism to send the image coming through the lens through an optical viewfinder. That adds mechanical complexity, physical depth, and lots of moving parts to the camera body. However, SLRs have been around since the late 1950s, and are well established. The finder goes dark at the moment of exposure, just as it does with your Canon FTb. The mirror has to flop up and slam against a foam dampener. Then the shutter opens and closes. Finally, the mirror comes down. That can add vibration and introduce lens-to-body alignment issues that result in focusing errors with some lenses. Mirrorless cameras use the sensor to focus directly, so there are no moving parts to be aligned. But the technology used to focus mirrorless cameras can be slower than that used in dSLRs.

The Fujifilm is a MILC (mirrorless interchangeable lens camera). Mirrorless cameras use the sensor to send an image to an electronic viewfinder or to the rear LCD/OLED screen. You see an image that is processed through the camera electronics, so you can adjust menu settings, exposure, etc. and see the effects in real time. You know what you are getting before you get it. The down side of that, thus far, is that the processing takes time, introducing a very tiny delay between what actually happened and what you see. That can be critical for some applications, and insignificant for others.

Mirrorless bodies can be slightly lighter than dSLRs. But APS-C format Fujinon lenses and DX Nikon lenses are roughly equal in size and weight for the same focal lengths and maximum apertures. If you want real weight savings from a mirrorless camera SYSTEM, you need an Olympus or Panasonic Lumix Micro 4/3 system.

Fujifilm cameras have a nice set of buttons, dials, and knobs on them. If that is what you are used to, you may find that camera much easier to use. The menus on that camera are also very straightforward and easy to use. The D5600 Nikon is a fairly well-refined design, but has its own style. I would urge you to find some avenue where you may try BOTH cameras to see which makes more sense in your hands.

Nikon is the #3 camera brand in total sales, behind Canon (#1) and Sony (#2). Fujifilm is down the list a bit, but they make EXCELLENT bodies and lenses. Also available are excellent cameras from Olympus and Panasonic and Pentax. Another camera I would seriously consider, since you like the Fujifilm X-T20, is the Panasonic Lumix G85. It, too, has plenty of real buttons, dials, simple menus, and an ergonomically appealing design. The Sony a6300 and a6500 are also worth considering, as is the Olympus OM‑D E‑M5. But they are not as easy to use for some people (the menus can be hard to navigate).

Of all these, my picks would be the Fujifilm X-T20 and the Lumix G85. Final decision on those would come down to sensor size vs. system weight.

You can find reviews of all these cameras at http://www.dpreview.com, and all over YouTube.

I really don't think you can go wrong with any choice in this class. You might consider whether a friend or family member has compatible lenses you might borrow.
That Nikon is a dSLR (digital single lens reflex).... (show quote)



Nice, informative reply!

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Jan 3, 2018 16:01:07   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
scuff wrote:
I'm going to go back up to BB (I don't want to waste a salesman's time if going used, so Best Buy is good enough for now) and look at them (and others recommended) again. Thanks for all the comments. I'm reading them all, even if I didn't respond to you personally. May need to wait a bit just to learn more pre-purchase!


In the long run, learning is more important than the gear! Good photography boils down to

Knowledge
Training
Experience
Passion
Mental Focus
Point of View

Gear is in the mix, somewhere, but spread across all other factors. Most of what makes a good photograph happens about 6 to 12 inches behind the viewfinder.

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Jan 3, 2018 18:36:26   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
Everything is moving toward Mirrorless

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Jan 3, 2018 20:27:24   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Blaster34 wrote:
Everything is moving toward Mirrorless

I'm not sure how that is going to work out. A large number of modern photographers don't seem to know how to properly handle a large lens on a small body.

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Jan 3, 2018 21:17:58   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
rehess wrote:
I'm not sure how that is going to work out. A large number of modern photographers don't seem to know how to properly handle a large lens on a small body.


Maybe they will make the bodies larger.

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Jan 3, 2018 21:49:17   #
jcboy3
 
Consider a bridge camera like the Pansonic FZ1000. No need to change lenses. Lots of features. All-in-one goodness.

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