Canon 80 D ,Very high ISO and very low shutter speeds..no Canon repair help
Dec 31, 2017 05:56:59 #
scotty54
Loc: Cranberry Twp, PA
It does not seem responders have read the question, OP stated that setting higher shutter speed was ignored by camera. Answers I saw recommended higher shutter speed, better gear, etc. Wish I could help, maybe someone will read more thoroughly and have an answer. Good luck with your camera!
Dec 31, 2017 06:05:04 #
Apaflo wrote:
The OP gave us all the information needed to calcu... (show quote)
Only 1 of your snapshots were at f2.8 and that was at iso 4500. Are you confused? What ever happened to your 5Cs?
Dec 31, 2017 06:21:06 #
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
ikodimer wrote:
School auditorium and granddaughter's choir at dis... (show quote)
Most modern Canon camera's can shoot at a high ISO. My Nikon D500 can go up without pushing to 25000, I also have a 70-200 2.8 which would do well in low light. All Nikon's seem to do well there in low light. I am sure Canon makes the equivalent camera.
Dec 31, 2017 06:49:00 #
ikodimer wrote:
School auditorium and granddaughter's choir at dis... (show quote)
Sounds like slow lenses are causing the problem.
We don't know the actual lighting levels as the description is a subjective comment as to what low is but from the way it sounds it was LOW.
Was the choir lit with stage lighting at all? Or was there no auditorium stage lighting? Generally that type of lighting on a choir is sufficient to allow for higher shutter speeds even with slower lenses.
Bottom line it sounds like just really too low light for the lenses not the equipment failing.
Dec 31, 2017 07:17:07 #
chaman: "A crop sensor can indeed get good images in low light if the equipment is used well and its limitations are known, not a particularly fast lens either. Ive shown these before:"
chaman, You're a brave man. I have lots of friends and clients that have trouble accepting what can be produced from a crop sensor. But suggesting anything of that nature here just brings on the 'how dumb are you not to realise you must have a full frame camera'!!!
Of course you get the 'show us some images to compare' response. Sadly showing images on a low res display will not show the true comparison.
Your work. and comments shows an understanding of digital photography.
Good luck and thank you.
chaman, You're a brave man. I have lots of friends and clients that have trouble accepting what can be produced from a crop sensor. But suggesting anything of that nature here just brings on the 'how dumb are you not to realise you must have a full frame camera'!!!
Of course you get the 'show us some images to compare' response. Sadly showing images on a low res display will not show the true comparison.
Your work. and comments shows an understanding of digital photography.
Good luck and thank you.
Dec 31, 2017 07:17:44 #
billnikon wrote:
Most modern Canon camera's can shoot at a high ISO. My Nikon D500 can go up without pushing to 25000, I also have a 70-200 2.8 which would do well in low light. All Nikon's seem to do well there in low light. I am sure Canon makes the equivalent camera.
Canon makes nothing with a cropped sensor that is anything near the Nikon D500. But even then, the D500 does not approach a full frame sensor in low light.
The D500 hits 6.5 fstops of useful dynamic range at ISO 2557. Compare that to the D750 at ISO 4075. The D750 is just less than 1 full fstop better than the D500.
And while you can set a D500 to ISO 25000 the image will have a maximum useful dynamic range of only 3.25 fstops. That is more than 2 fstops into the noise!
The significance is that 6.5 fstops of useful dynamic range is the minimum needed to get essentially noise free images. Even at that there is absolutely no leeway for exposure error or any kind of tone mapping. For reasonable post processing about 8 fstops of range is desired. For a D500 that means shooting at no greater than ISO 800.
Don't expect to get high quality images in poorly illuminated gymnasiums!
Dec 31, 2017 07:30:05 #
Apaflo wrote:
Canon makes nothing with a cropped sensor that is ... (show quote)
I believe they said auditorium.
Dec 31, 2017 07:36:09 #
Architect1776 wrote:
I believe they said auditorium.
Don't expect good results in poorly illuminated auditoriums.
Poor lighting is poor lighting.
Dec 31, 2017 07:46:58 #
Apaflo wrote:
With that camera and those lenses it can't be done under the circumstances described.
At least a 6D body and lens with a maximum aperture of f/2.8 is required. And even with that it would need very good technique and post processing.
At least a 6D body and lens with a maximum aperture of f/2.8 is required. And even with that it would need very good technique and post processing.
And with a 6D you can push it to ISO 25,800 and still get acceptable photos. I think the OP was just expecting too much performance from his equipment in a very low-light situation. He also needs to learn a lot more about using his equipment - like what shutter speeds he should attempt while hand-holding a camera!
Dec 31, 2017 08:00:32 #
sb wrote:
And with a 6D you can push it to ISO 25,800 and still get acceptable photos. ...
Can't say I agree with that. The highest reasonable ISO for a Canon 6D is about 4070, where a perfectly nailed exposure gets 6.5 fstops of useful dymamic range. At ISO 25,600 the 6D only gets about 4 fstops of useful dynamic range which puts everything about 2.5 fstops into the noise. Not good!
Just because you can set it to shoot at ISO 25,600 does not mean the images are useful. They can be down sized to 1200 pixels wide for use on the Internet, but even an 8x10 print will be less than suitable in most cases.
Dec 31, 2017 08:06:33 #
Apaflo wrote:
Yes it works great for a very small low quality pr... (show quote)
Dude, sorry to burst your bubble, but these are not "exceptionally high quality" images as you proclaim. They are definitely acceptable, compared to an iPhone, but just not as good as a D3s is capable of doing. I suspect that lens was your problem, the Tamron at f/3.5. I have a similar problem as the OP with low light in a gym, trying to get pictures of volleyball and the only success I had was with an f/1.4 lens. So to the OP, you have to get a faster lens and go to a higher ISO and live with your results because it's the best it's going to get with a crop sensor. Nikon's D5 and the D3s can do this, but you will have to upgrade your body. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you just cannot manufacture light without a flash and the light that you have is not good enough to get a really great image. So see if you can rent a faster lens to try out and if it works, look for a refurb
Dec 31, 2017 08:10:29 #
scotty54 said: "It does not seem responders have read the question, OP stated that setting higher shutter speed was ignored by camera. Answers I saw recommended higher shutter speed, better gear, etc. Wish I could help, maybe someone will read more thoroughly and have an answer. Good luck with your camera!"
scotty54 you are so right!
I have no experience of the Canon 80D hence I don't know about menu 2 as referred to by the OP. I am guessing however that there is nothing wrong with the camera. Which IS what the OP was asking. My suggestion is that menu setting included some automatic camera controlled aspects of operation. Thus setting the faster shutter speeds was over ruled by the camera as it would not give an exposure the camera was programmed to accept.
Put the camera in full manual and play with it from there to check it out. When shooting in similar conditions in future you may choose to use full manual, or another automatic mode with some manual control. Let's look into that later. For now set FULLY to manual and adjust settings to see the camera works.
scotty54 you are so right!
I have no experience of the Canon 80D hence I don't know about menu 2 as referred to by the OP. I am guessing however that there is nothing wrong with the camera. Which IS what the OP was asking. My suggestion is that menu setting included some automatic camera controlled aspects of operation. Thus setting the faster shutter speeds was over ruled by the camera as it would not give an exposure the camera was programmed to accept.
Put the camera in full manual and play with it from there to check it out. When shooting in similar conditions in future you may choose to use full manual, or another automatic mode with some manual control. Let's look into that later. For now set FULLY to manual and adjust settings to see the camera works.
Dec 31, 2017 08:12:42 #
scotty54 wrote:
It does not seem responders have read the question, OP stated that setting higher shutter speed was ignored by camera. Answers I saw recommended higher shutter speed, better gear, etc. Wish I could help, maybe someone will read more thoroughly and have an answer. Good luck with your camera!
I did read what he said about the camera not selecting a high shutter speed and I'm not familiar with Canyon cameras. I would tell the OP to shoot in 100% manual, where he is adjusting both the aperture to its' wide open number and then adjust the shutter speed to no less than 1/500. Then crank the ISO up until the meter zeros out and go from there. Also to set the camera meter to spot metering, not averaging. That's the best he is going to get until he gets at least a 1.8 or 1.4 lens
Dec 31, 2017 08:19:52 #
tomcat wrote:
Dude, sorry to burst your bubble, but these are not "exceptionally high quality" images as you proclaim. ...
Sorry that you are not observant enough to realize you were looking at a downsized image intended to be viewable on the Internet from my website without being large enough for anyone to print at a commercial quality. It would be really stupid to put a higher quality on the Internet.
As I stated the images were all printed at 16x20 or larger, and yes they are very high quality prints.
Dec 31, 2017 08:39:27 #
ikodimer wrote:
School auditorium and granddaughter's choir at dis... (show quote)
Tamron 18-270 mm lens ,set @ f 3.5 is 6.3 at 270mm
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