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Dec 28, 2017 10:39:27   #
Carmine Loc: Westport, CT
 
My favorite quote to my students: "When all else fails, read the manual". Nikon manuals have been pretty complete over the years, layered often in a "how much do you really want to know?" fashion. My recently purchased Sony A6500 came with very little and an offer of something on line which I downloaded and promptly forgot where I stored it. It's of little use when you're traveling with a backpack.

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Dec 28, 2017 10:43:47   #
lautenk2
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I must agree with you although I am one who loves to read manuals. I considered the A6000 for my wife so I download the manual and read it. I couldn't figure out how to use the damn thing seriously. I still can't figure out the differences between the 2 A modes on the camera.

One of them is for still subjects (the green cartoon), the other for moving subjects (the gold cartoon with the star if I remember right). The manual is not entirely clear.

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Dec 28, 2017 10:48:32   #
lautenk2
 
YeloCab1 wrote:
The manual for my 1967 Honda 90 (Motorcycle) said "Please" before every instruction

The manual for the 1973 Honda CB350 gave gap settings for the "sparkprugs." Honda manuals have improved since then.

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Dec 28, 2017 11:02:08   #
lautenk2
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Another point about this is that many seems to think that the company that makes the camera doesn't know as much about the camera as a third party writer. For me I always use the camera manual and not any third party book.

Sorry, I have to disagree. I know a lot of smart engineers who are horrible writers, and who don't appreciate that writing is hard. I imagine it's the same at camera companies, and that their good tech writing is not done by design engineers or program managers. Third party camera manuals seem to be written by good writers who know a lot about the cameras. Steve Perry is a good example, I just read his Nikon autofocus book. Klosterman, Busch, Freidman are good as well (apologies for misspelling some names).

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Dec 28, 2017 12:21:24   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
An example of where 'just the facts' type of manual can be illustrated by White Balance. The manual will gl on and on about the settings, while the problem in the field is 'WB quality' of the available light and 'how best to compensate.'


Dannj wrote:
Like others have said, manuals provided by the manufacturer are good for telling you where the various buttons/functions are located but not for finding out what you might want to use them for. For that, I need to rely on the camera-specific guides available. Using those guides I hope to get to the point some day when the manual alone will suffice.

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Dec 28, 2017 12:56:43   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
John, manuals are for instruction on what the different settings are and some of what they will do. They are not intended to make you a great photographer. For example, Nikon's site has educational videos showing the various settings and recommending which to use. Similarly, the manual will indicate how to remove and attach a lens. It won't indicate which lens one should use for a particular scene.

To address your statement, I manually WB every one of my photos. Something to which I didn't pay much attention, due to mostly using black and white film. Once I started shooting digital, color became a necessity. Every photograph I made early on needed WB. There was always some color hue that overwhelmed the scene. Shoot in the forest and it's green. Shoot a desert landscape and it's going to be bluish or reddish, depending on how much sky is in the scene.

Being the inveterate lab rat, I've photographed the same scene using various camera WB settings, without going to the customized settings menu. None of them showed a 'flat' response. All had varying degrees of bias. Since 2015, my camera setting requires that I do a WB in both ACR and at the start of my processing in PS. But then, I've been doing the WB in PS on every image anyway. Additionally, WB is very necessary when doing a digital conversion to black and white.

So, the manual, itself, is quite sufficient in indicating what the settings are and providing guidance on when to use them. However, the more diligent photographers should take it upon themselves to explore the results of each setting and the overall results on the final image.
--Bob

John_F wrote:
An example of where 'just the facts' type of manual can be illustrated by White Balance. The manual will gl on and on about the settings, while the problem in the field is 'WB quality' of the available light and 'how best to compensate.'

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Dec 28, 2017 12:57:54   #
BebuLamar
 
lautenk2 wrote:
Sorry, I have to disagree. I know a lot of smart engineers who are horrible writers, and who don't appreciate that writing is hard. I imagine it's the same at camera companies, and that their good tech writing is not done by design engineers or program managers. Third party camera manuals seem to be written by good writers who know a lot about the cameras. Steve Perry is a good example, I just read his Nikon autofocus book. Klosterman, Busch, Freidman are good as well (apologies for misspelling some names).
Sorry, I have to disagree. I know a lot of smart e... (show quote)


I bought the Klosterman book for the Df. It's about the only third party book on the Df. I bought it because I have some free credit for the Ebook. I read a little bit but got bored and never finished it. I read the Nikon manual in its entirely several time.

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Dec 28, 2017 13:16:11   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
That'd be Klostermann, with two Ns.

I bought his book on the D7500 and it's been very helpful. I have the two pdfs from Nikon and the ebook from DK on my Note 8 and my tablet. The Nikon publications are encyclopedic in nature, whereas the DK book is more of an how-to book. Both styles have value.

I read the two Nikon pdfs even before ordering the D7500. I just read them "in diagonal" to see what the features were. I don't pretend to memorize everything on the first (or even second or third) read, but I quickly get an appreciation for what the features are. Then I can go back and read about a feature in more detail because I know it's there. I do that for everything that comes with a manual.

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Dec 28, 2017 14:49:39   #
alx Loc: NJ
 
berchman wrote:
There was no similarity whatsoever between my late wife and her mother.


Maybe they aren't related?

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Dec 28, 2017 15:47:19   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
I look at my manuals to solve a problem. When I get a new camera I put the battery in, load a card and start shooting. By the end of the day i'll have a few questions and look them up in the manual.Thats about it.
rmalarz wrote:
Someone on this forum asked a rather remedial question regarding the D850. I downloaded the manual to find the answer. One of the first things that caught my attention was on the very front page of the manual.

I quote, "Read this manual thoroughly before using the camera".

I wonder how many follow this "prime directive". I know when I got my D700, the only thing I did prior to reading the manual, was put a battery in the charger. Then, I could do two things at the same time, charge battery and read. I didn't even pick up the camera until I'd read through the entire manual. Yup, feet up on the desk, a cup of coffee nearby, the battery in the charger, and the manual nestled in my lap. I read every page.

Then, I placed the fully charged battery in the camera and read through the manual again. This time working on each section with the camera in hand.

Oh, I did the same thing when I got my D800e. Though very similar to the D700, I still read through the entire manual before picking up the camera.

I wish girlfriends came with the same sort of documentation.

--Bob
Someone on this forum asked a rather remedial ques... (show quote)

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Dec 28, 2017 15:56:53   #
alx Loc: NJ
 
lautenk2 wrote:
The manual for the 1973 Honda CB350 gave gap settings for the "sparkprugs." Honda manuals have improved since then.


But did anyone actually pay attention to the part that said to "Obey all posted Speed Limits"?

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Dec 28, 2017 17:23:56   #
Tikva Loc: Waukesha, WI
 
rmalarz wrote:


I wish girlfriends came with the same sort of documentation.

--Bob


And I wish that boyfriends came with the same sort of documentation, although at this stage of my life, I'm not looking for one any longer.

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Dec 28, 2017 17:51:47   #
lautenk2
 
alx wrote:
But did anyone actually pay attention to the part that said to "Obey all posted Speed Limits"?

We're talking about motorcycles here, I think you missed that. I'm always aware of the speed limit (or should it be speed rimit).

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Dec 28, 2017 18:00:59   #
lautenk2
 
Jacksonville wrote:
At one time or another I have had to resort to reading the Spanish or French versions of some manuals to make sense of the mangled English text. This applies to all sorts of manuals, not just camera manuals.

That is a great idea, thanks. With Google translate, anybody could do it.

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Dec 28, 2017 19:21:42   #
PeterBergh
 
lautenk2 wrote:
That is a great idea, thanks. With Google translate, anybody could do it.


BEWARE: Google Translate is, at times, very far from accurate, based on my experience of looking at translations from the Scandinavian tongues -- my native language is Swedish -- to US English.

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