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PART 2: How many megapixels do we need? ... This is the 3-megapixel illustration.
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Dec 15, 2017 23:03:07   #
jimisready Loc: Sacramento/Carson City
 
After reading all of this I need to get out and shoot at medium 7.7mp instead of large 16mp and compare noise cause it might be less I can hope.

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Dec 15, 2017 23:19:37   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
jimisready wrote:
After reading all of this I need to get out and shoot at medium 7.7mp instead of large 16mp and compare noise cause it might be less I can hope.



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Dec 15, 2017 23:28:10   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Really? Only 24 megapixels?


64mp.



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Dec 15, 2017 23:52:05   #
mej49 Loc: California
 
fotoman150 wrote:
My understanding is that if you have a high res camera and print in small sizes you throw away more pixels. Printing can only show so much detail. High res is for larger prints and helps when cropping.

Eventually they will stop with the megapixel race. I used to shoot all jpeg years ago because I couldn't afford large cards and disk drives.

Now memory and storage is cheap. So I shoot RAW 99% and don't care how many I take.

My first digital camera back in 2001 was an Olympus E-10. 4mp. I thought I was in heaven. I gave the camera and flash and bag to a friend and he really appreciated it.
My understanding is that if you have a high res ca... (show quote)


My first digital was an Oly C2000Z 2mp camera which worked well for me until a 5 pound car part fell on it...oops.
It actually took very nice Pics and prints were very acceptable.
You are correct about memory cost, it was expensive back then. Good thing it was only a 2MP camera.

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Dec 16, 2017 03:55:00   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
m43rebel wrote:
Well, here we go again.

In 2007, four years later, I had upgraded my "pocket camera" to a Sony W-1, a 5-mgp camera. I know ... but you said this was about 3 megapixels. What gives?

My wife and I decided to celebrate our 40th anniversary by going the the British Isles and visiting more ancestral villages (they were poor too). I had just bought the camera ... will I ever learn ... and was too cheap to buy a second sony memory stick (heck they were expensive back then), so I decided to take all the pictures at 3 megapixels to save memory space. Sometimes I think my brain just does not work very well !!! Or maybe I just need decision matrix training.

So attached are a few shots, again in different light settings, to see if 3 mgp was viable. Obviously, if I had used 5 mgp, the clarity would be better.

Again, this is not about my pictures, but really a discussion about how much quality do we really need.

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Please share your conclusions and or strongly held opinions on the topic. Thanks.

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Well, here we go again. br br In 2007, four years... (show quote)


I've used cameras ranging from 5 megapixels in 2005 to 36 megapixels in my Nikon D810, with 6, 12 and 20 in between. All of them make fine 8x10 enlargements. As the pixel count goes up, the ability to crop and still end up with a decent picture also goes up.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Your pictures are fine if you understand there may be a size limitation in actual enlargements. You made a decision based on your understanding of digital photography at the time. You also have some very nice memories, and that's what counts. I look at old NTSC digital video I took starting in 2001 through about 2011, and I can clearly see that it isn't as good as HD, but who cares? That's what was available when I bought a camcorder.

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Dec 16, 2017 09:53:51   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
therwol wrote:
I've used cameras ranging from 5 megapixels in 2005 to 36 megapixels in my Nikon D810, with 6, 12 and 20 in between. All of them make fine 8x10 enlargements. As the pixel count goes up, the ability to crop and still end up with a decent picture also goes up.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Your pictures are fine if you understand there may be a size limitation in actual enlargements. You made a decision based on your understanding of digital photography at the time. You also have some very nice memories, and that's what counts. I look at old NTSC digital video I took starting in 2001 through about 2011, and I can clearly see that it isn't as good as HD, but who cares? That's what was available when I bought a camcorder.
I've used cameras ranging from 5 megapixels in 200... (show quote)



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Dec 16, 2017 09:59:54   #
Pixelmaster Loc: New England
 
Perhaps using ON1 would help those who are trying to output with lower res images.

https://www.on1.com/promo/0917-resize/

This use to be called Genuine Fractals which uses an algorithm to give you a lossy print.

Look up its history on the web. I use to use this for fine art printing.

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Dec 16, 2017 10:37:20   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
Pixelmaster wrote:
Perhaps using ON1 would help those who are trying to output with lower res images.

https://www.on1.com/promo/0917-resize/

This use to be called Genuine Fractals which uses an algorithm to give you a lossy print.

Look up its history on the web. I use to use this for fine art printing.



Back in the day, I was able to get clean 20x30 enlargements using Genuine Fractals with my 6MP D70 - as long as the exposure was good.

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Dec 16, 2017 10:48:48   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
If we never need more than a 6MP camera why are we carrying around this heavy equipment?

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Dec 16, 2017 16:20:50   #
HomerSimpson Loc: London U.K.
 
Sorry but this topic gets old very fast. It depends on what you intend to do with the image, size you may want to print, how much you want to crop, type of photography you enjoy. It’s a non issue. I enjoy nature photography so I’ll want to crop. Some get it in the camera and don’t want to crop. Some like the freedom to crop. Some want to print large prints. Why should there be any further discussion? 5mp simply is not enough for most people. Sorry this comes across as a rant, but you appear to be posting without realising that not everyone thinks or does as you do. No offence intended though and I hope you are having a good day. Peace.


m43rebel wrote:
Well, here we go again.

In 2007, four years later, I had upgraded my "pocket camera" to a Sony W-1, a 5-mgp camera. I know ... but you said this was about 3 megapixels. What gives?

My wife and I decided to celebrate our 40th anniversary by going the the British Isles and visiting more ancestral villages (they were poor too). I had just bought the camera ... will I ever learn ... and was too cheap to buy a second sony memory stick (heck they were expensive back then), so I decided to take all the pictures at 3 megapixels to save memory space. Sometimes I think my brain just does not work very well !!! Or maybe I just need decision matrix training.

So attached are a few shots, again in different light settings, to see if 3 mgp was viable. Obviously, if I had used 5 mgp, the clarity would be better.

Again, this is not about my pictures, but really a discussion about how much quality do we really need.

.

Please share your conclusions and or strongly held opinions on the topic. Thanks.

.
Well, here we go again. br br In 2007, four years... (show quote)

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Dec 16, 2017 17:22:12   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Fotoartist wrote:
If we never need more than a 6MP camera why are we carrying around this heavy equipment?


Who said "never?" In my opinion, you reach a point of diminishing returns beyond 12 megapixels for the things that "normal" people do with photographs, and if you never want to make anything larger than an 8x10 photo, even that's overkill. On the other hand, I can think of reasons, as I'm sure you can, where a higher resolution camera has its place. I don't want to actually go into it. Someone goes into it every single day on this forum.

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Dec 17, 2017 00:33:31   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
HomerSimpson wrote:
Sorry but this topic gets old very fast. It depends on what you intend to do with the image, size you may want to print, how much you want to crop, type of photography you enjoy. It’s a non issue. I enjoy nature photography so I’ll want to crop. Some get it in the camera and don’t want to crop. Some like the freedom to crop. Some want to print large prints. Why should there be any further discussion? 5mp simply is not enough for most people. Sorry this comes across as a rant, but you appear to be posting without realising that not everyone thinks or does as you do. No offence intended though and I hope you are having a good day. Peace.
Sorry but this topic gets old very fast. It depend... (show quote)


So don’t click on the thread then? You are a guest here, so let the op post what he wants. Work on your photography instead. God knows you need all the help you can get.

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Dec 17, 2017 01:44:22   #
HomerSimpson Loc: London U.K.
 
You’re entitled to your opinion of course. I will post on whatever thread I choose to. I don’t need your permission. I’m allowed to contribute to a discussion. Would you like to clarify in which areas I “need all the help (I) can get?” Consider in your response that I am a new member here and have not yet posted any images. For all you know I may be excellent at what I do. Or I may be rubbish. But your comment is needlessly insulting and rude. You’re actually one of the people on this forum that brings it down, and frankly inspires negative responses like mine here. I’ve read the forum for a long time and have seen a lot of nastiness here. It’s unnecessary. Opinion is one thing. Insults are just bullying. Please let’s all try and keep it civil.



tdekany wrote:
So don’t click on the thread then? You are a guest here, so let the op post what he wants. Work on your photography instead. God knows you need all the help you can get.

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Dec 17, 2017 04:03:53   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
HomerSimpson wrote:
You’re entitled to your opinion of course. I will post on whatever thread I choose to. I don’t need your permission. I’m allowed to contribute to a discussion. Would you like to clarify in which areas I “need all the help (I) can get?” Consider in your response that I am a new member here and have not yet posted any images. For all you know I may be excellent at what I do. Or I may be rubbish. But your comment is needlessly insulting and rude. You’re actually one of the people on this forum that brings it down, and frankly inspires negative responses like mine here. I’ve read the forum for a long time and have seen a lot of nastiness here. It’s unnecessary. Opinion is one thing. Insults are just bullying. Please let’s all try and keep it civil.
You’re entitled to your opinion of course. I will ... (show quote)


Re read your first sentence in your first reply.

Sounds like you are another one of those narcissistic bullies. Your very first words were very demeaning. 7 posts and you are already trying to dictate what type of topic should or should not be discussed? Give me a break!

Your post was rude and insulting. But in a typical narcissistic fashion, that you don’t realize.

Considering what you wrote in your response to the OP, it is you who brings down this forum. Look in the mirror pal!

Like Gandhi used to say - be the change you want to see in the world.

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Dec 17, 2017 07:21:51   #
HomerSimpson Loc: London U.K.
 
Ok. Now can we please get back on topic.


tdekany wrote:
Re read your first sentence in your first reply.

Sounds like you are another one of those narcissistic bullies. Your very first words were very demeaning. 7 posts and you are already trying to dictate what type of topic should or should not be discussed? Give me a break!

Your post was rude and insulting. But in a typical narcissistic fashion, that you don’t realize.

Considering what you wrote in your response to the OP, it is you who brings down this forum. Look in the mirror pal!

Like Gandhi used to say - be the change you want to see in the world.
Re read your first sentence in your first reply. b... (show quote)

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