Photography vs. the camera
The Villages wrote:
I guess this is a philosophical question for better minds then I to answer, BUT -
Over many years, cameras have gone from the most simple box to a complex computer with a multitude of adjustments..... supposedly aimed at providing the photographer with the "best picture ever".
Has the art of photography (or enjoyment of photography) been lost? Is more time spent dealing with the hand held computer (the camera), then with the art of actually taking the picture?
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No, everything is still the same, the techniques to get there have changed a bit, but it's still the photographer that's "calling the shots"!
TriX
Loc: Raleigh, NC
Gene51 wrote:
I don't think so. However, though I drive a Prius, I still get a thrill out of driving a standard shift, no power brakes, no power steering, no A/C, no power windows, carburetor-aspirated, premium burning British sports car (a friend's Sunbeam Tiger) on a twisty mountain road.
The Tiger is a hoot - should have kept mine...
My favorite camera to shoot is an all mechanical Leica film rangefinder. I either estimate exposure or use a light meter without a battery. I like the slow process. I like not worrying about charging batteries. While on a trip, I like not being tempted to chimp or engage in post processing. I get results that are pleasing to me using these simple tools. BUT this is just the wrong tool for many situations. And, air travel with film adds a level of stress such that increasingly I use digital.
Gene51 wrote:
I don't think so. However, though I drive a Prius, I still get a thrill out of driving a standard shift, no power brakes, no power steering, no A/C, no power windows, carburetor-aspirated, premium burning British sports car (a friend's Sunbeam Tiger) on a twisty mountain road.
Lucky you. I just saw an article about how the Tiger was one of the last affordable vintage supercars. Then I checked the prices and walked away very disappointed. The fully restored ones are around $160,000 and up. Basket cases vary from $40K and up.
TriX
Loc: Raleigh, NC
10MPlayer wrote:
Lucky you. I just saw an article about how the Tiger was one of the last affordable vintage supercars. Then I checked the prices and walked away very disappointed. The fully restored ones are around $160,000 and up. Basket cases vary from $40K and up.
I sold mine in ‘66 when I went in the Army (and became instantly poor) 😩 - i’d Be embarrassed to say how little I got for it considering what they’re worth today. It was certainly fast, but a little thin on brakes. I had a red series II Alpine before that (the one with the fins) with 3-eared knockoff wires - the same car Elizabeth Taylor drove in Butterfield 8.
What I enjoy about modern digital cameras is that I can operate in manual mode if I want, or I can just put it in auto when I just want to grab some snaps. The camera is pretty smart, smarter than I am, so sometimes I count on that. I started out in 1967 when everything was manual and that was what I got used to. Fortunately I can do the same thing with my digital camera when it suits me. I think the modern digital cameras are great, and all the features really provide for the photography part of it. The art’s not lost, and these cameras keep it found.
The Villages wrote:
I guess this is a philosophical question for better minds then I to answer, BUT -
Over many years, cameras have gone from the most simple box to a complex computer with a multitude of adjustments..... supposedly aimed at providing the photographer with the "best picture ever".
Has the art of photography (or enjoyment of photography) been lost? Is more time spent dealing with the hand held computer (the camera), then with the art of actually taking the picture?
Just wondering
I guess this is a philosophical question for bette... (
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No, it is a tool.
It is more a matter of mind set.
I was looking at an article of several photographers and what they had. It was interesting they have good equipment, not all were the latest. But they had a couple of bodies and not more than 4 lenses. They are not equipment collectors it is obvious but photographers with great skills.
I found it very enlightening to see their work vs what they had. Very inspiring to master the vision.
I have found in my profession that the modern tools beat conveying the concept much easier than the old methods hands down and much quicker, and time is money.
The Villages wrote:
I guess this is a philosophical question for better minds then I to answer, BUT -
Over many years, cameras have gone from the most simple box to a complex computer with a multitude of adjustments..... supposedly aimed at providing the photographer with the "best picture ever".
Has the art of photography (or enjoyment of photography) been lost? Is more time spent dealing with the hand held computer (the camera), then with the art of actually taking the picture?
Just wondering
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Ask this right after you go back to an outhouse, bath in a stream in the winter and ride your horse to work. :) :)
Ansel Adams once stated he hoped to be around when analog became digital. The art if photography is on seeing before pressing the shutter button. I shot with this early Kodak cameras where shutter speed, aperture, figuring where to aim to best overcome parallax error, and distance had to be set, then looked through a blurry little window, taking the shot, hoping for the best. I welcomed the SLR, using a Kinoca Auto Reflex with external, on body exposure meter. Now I shoot with a Nikon D90 and D7500. The difference between the older D90 and the new D7500 are astounding. This proved out on a recent model shoot and an evening architectural shoot. Sure technology helps with exposure and focus, but it still come down to seeing the shot in
Your head while eyes look at light and shadow, and the overall scene. I have had people visit with me at art shows with far more expensive cameras and lens hanging on their neck. But the photos they show me are, in most cases, nothing more than poorly composed snap shots that have technically accurate exposure. I used to shot weddings ... So funny to see all these people online professing to be wedding photographers...the photos they put online show their true quality, as you see light poles coming out of people's heads and so on. Having a 3 or 4 thousand dollar camera be itself does not make you an artist of photography.
This is a philosophical question and a good one at that! I discovered recently when trying to take a good picture on manual that there were so many parameters to recognize and set (TV, AV, ISO...) instantly before my subject (child) moved that that there are picture takers (me) and photographers (people like you)........I have utmost respect for photographers that people who do not use manual cameras do not realize what goes into a good picture.
As a 'student' of photography, I still enjoy the challenge and creativity of taking a picture that elicits emotion, tells a story or starts a conversation.......
PhotoKurtz, great analogy! ha ha ha ha
The Villages wrote:
I guess this is a philosophical question for better minds then I to answer, BUT -
Over many years, cameras have gone from the most simple box to a complex computer with a multitude of adjustments..... supposedly aimed at providing the photographer with the "best picture ever".
Has the art of photography (or enjoyment of photography) been lost? Is more time spent dealing with the hand held computer (the camera), then with the art of actually taking the picture?
Just wondering
I guess this is a philosophical question for bette... (
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Taking a picture isn't art. Art comes from the artist. A camera is a tool.
An artist is someone who creates with tools. When you see a beautiful image, do you ask about the tools. "What paper is the photo is printed on? What printer was used printer used? What post-processor was used? What color temperature is light in which the image is displayed?" Would you criticize a painting because of the paint, brushes, or surface that are used--or because of the time the artist spent on some element of his creative process?
As far as enjoyment goes: Do painters enjoy cleaning their brushes, painting in a cold studio, or working a job that sucks in order to afford supplies?
jackpinoh wrote:
Taking a picture isn't art. Art comes from the artist. A camera is a tool.
An artist is someone who creates with tools. When you see a beautiful image, do you ask about the tools. "What paper is the photo is printed on? What printer was used printer used? What post-processor was used? What color temperature is light in which the image is displayed?" Would you criticize a painting because of the paint, brushes, or surface that are used--or because of the time the artist spent on some element of his creative process?
As far as enjoyment goes: Do painters enjoy cleaning their brushes, painting in a cold studio, or working a job that sucks in order to afford supplies?
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What? A brush like a camera is tool! One might ask it is oil, water, pencil, etc. You may look at the art and say the paint, brushes, surface etc sucks - just like a photo that has poor composition pr abusive editing. Art from a camera or bush is art. trying to hold the outcome of a brush as epitome of unquestionable wonder, is horse pucky! You'r riding an imaginary wave of ego!
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
The Villages wrote:
I guess this is a philosophical question for better minds then I to answer, BUT -
Over many years, cameras have gone from the most simple box to a complex computer with a multitude of adjustments..... supposedly aimed at providing the photographer with the "best picture ever".
Has the art of photography (or enjoyment of photography) been lost? Is more time spent dealing with the hand held computer (the camera), then with the art of actually taking the picture?
Just wondering
I guess this is a philosophical question for bette... (
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With today's digital camera's and post processing Art using camera's are going to new levels of refinement and enjoyment. The future is boundless. Let it continue.
Gene51 wrote:
I don't think so. However, though I drive a Prius, I still get a thrill out of driving a standard shift, no power brakes, no power steering, no A/C, no power windows, carburetor-aspirated, premium burning British sports car (a friend's Sunbeam Tiger) on a twisty mountain road.
Now you peaked my interest. I had a 1965 Sunbeam Tiger. I loved driving that car. With that Ford 8 engine that car hummed. I traded that for my first 911. That was when I could get out of those cars gracefully.
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