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Nov 22, 2017 20:55:37   #
Edia Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Dngallagher wrote:
You have to admit, the Commodore 64, with 64 MB of ram and a 1 Mhz 6502 chip was pretty friggin fantastic at the time!

Still have one and a pair of drives for it.
I also still have the Commodore 64. I can't understand why I can't put photoshop on some floppy discs and run it on my Commodore. Maybe I should get a more powerful computer?

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Nov 22, 2017 21:20:27   #
DJO
 
The holidays are already upon us, and we all know what that means: an inordinate increase in social obligations. Not all of them will be eagerly anticipated. Notwithstanding, the possibility exists that even the most joyous of celebrations can present an awkward moment, even for the best and brightest among us. Perhaps even more so. This is why I have compiled a list of Cocktail Party Ice Breakers (CPIB). One of them is most apropo to today's discussion.

CPIB: "Did you know that there are more Apple computers in Manhattan, not all of New York City, just Manhattan, than in the rest of United States combined?"

Conversation begins.

If you ponder this fact for even 10 seconds and do not purchase a Mac, I can't help you. No one can.

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Nov 22, 2017 22:48:23   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
BJW wrote:
As the sages say, "Once you've tried a Mac, you won't go back..." IMHO, I'm glad I switched and stayed with Mac.


Or, as I like to say it, paraphrasing another well-known saying:

“Once you’ve had Mac, you NEVER go back!"

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Nov 22, 2017 22:55:35   #
shelty Loc: Medford, OR
 
shelty wrote:
I'm a Nikon and a home built computer user.


I can build a top of the line computer with what I would pay for a Mac.

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Nov 22, 2017 22:58:01   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
DNW wrote:
Macs are easy to hack into. Their software for virus scans are not good. They use "old-hat" in the tech world. δ¿δ


Maybe more of a problem these days than in the past, but still… there’s a reason why the shelves at Best Buy and, back in the day, CompUSA, etc., had shelves full of antivirus and security software for the Windows PC while, at the same time, just a few titles for the Mac. Why? Because Macs didn’t need it. They were not impossible to hack into, but it was too difficult for the average hacker to try. I have had Macs since 1990 and only recently have encountered a mild malware issue. I’ve NEVER run antivirus software on my Macs. OK, well, that’s not true. For a while I did use SAM (Symantic Antivirus for Mac) and only ONCE did it detect a virus after I inserted a floppy disc. The reason for this level of security on Macs is because it’s a close, proprietary system. Not open to anyone and everyone to develop for it. I’m willing to keep paying more for that level of peace of mind. That, and Macs and their peripheral devices are just designed to… work.

I don’t care that it’s a sealed system. I had tower PCs before, both Dell and Sony, with the idea that I’d upgrade video and sound boards and add in all sorts of things. Know what? I never did. The only thing I ever added was a fancy joystick for my flight simulator games.

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Nov 22, 2017 22:58:50   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
DJO wrote:
The holidays are already upon us, and we all know what that means: an inordinate increase in social obligations. Not all of them will be eagerly anticipated. Notwithstanding, the possibility exists that even the most joyous of celebrations can present an awkward moment, even for the best and brightest among us. Perhaps even more so. This is why I have compiled a list of Cocktail Party Ice Breakers (CPIB). One of them is most apropo to today's discussion.

CPIB: "Did you know that there are more Apple computers in Manhattan, not all of New York City, just Manhattan, than in the rest of United States combined?"

Conversation begins.

If you ponder this fact for even 10 seconds and do not purchase a Mac, I can't help you. No one can.
The holidays are already upon us, and we all know ... (show quote)


LOL, no offense but I hope for your sake and the success of your effort that all your "Cocktail Parties" are in NY 'cause I don't much think you'll have much luck keeping that plate spinnin' in the air most other places in the U. S. In the first place, to appreciate the premise one must first know a little something about Manhattan and secondly, "frankly my dear..."

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Nov 22, 2017 23:03:12   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
kb6kgx wrote:
They were not impossible to hack into, but it was too difficult for the average hacker to try.


That may not be entirely accurate - the fact is that there were, and still are, such a relatively few Macs in use that it isn't worth a hacker's effort when there are so many more PCs in use, or at least that has been the rumor for lo these many years.

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Nov 22, 2017 23:51:16   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Edia wrote:
I also still have the Commodore 64. I can't understand why I can't put photoshop on some floppy discs and run it on my Commodore. Maybe I should get a more powerful computer?


I had an Apple IIe with a Transwarp 65C02 Accelerator card that boosted the speed to 3.5 MHz. It also had a full MEGAbyte of RAM on another add-in card. It was used to host a ClearLight Superstar Multi-Image Programmer on yet a third add-in card. It drove 12-15 slide projectors for large corporate presentations. GREAT setup.

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Nov 22, 2017 23:54:44   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
shelty wrote:
I can build a top of the line computer with what I would pay for a Mac.


Will it run Mac OS High Sierra?

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Nov 23, 2017 00:36:39   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
gessman wrote:
That may not be entirely accurate - the fact is that there were, and still are, such a relatively few Macs in use that it isn't worth a hacker's effort when there are so many more PCs in use, or at least that has been the rumor for lo these many years.


Yeah, probably right about that. Even today, the numbers of Windows users are WAY more than there are Mac users. Always has been, always will be.

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Nov 23, 2017 01:45:20   #
shelty Loc: Medford, OR
 
kb6kgx wrote:
Maybe more of a problem these days than in the past, but still… there’s a reason why the shelves at Best Buy and, back in the day, CompUSA, etc., had shelves full of antivirus and security software for the Windows PC while, at the same time, just a few titles for the Mac. Why? Because Macs didn’t need it. They were not impossible to hack into, but it was too difficult for the average hacker to try. I have had Macs since 1990 and only recently have encountered a mild malware issue. I’ve NEVER run antivirus software on my Macs. OK, well, that’s not true. For a while I did use SAM (Symantic Antivirus for Mac) and only ONCE did it detect a virus after I inserted a floppy disc. The reason for this level of security on Macs is because it’s a close, proprietary system. Not open to anyone and everyone to develop for it. I’m willing to keep paying more for that level of peace of mind. That, and Macs and their peripheral devices are just designed to… work.

I don’t care that it’s a sealed system. I had tower PCs before, both Dell and Sony, with the idea that I’d upgrade video and sound boards and add in all sorts of things. Know what? I never did. The only thing I ever added was a fancy joystick for my flight simulator games.
Maybe more of a problem these days than in the pas... (show quote)


There's really not much difference between a mac and a PC. they all contain pretty much the same components. The truth of the matter is that the hackers preferred the PC because there are so many of them. The latest upgrade of windows 10 makes it almost impossible to hack into. I've never said that a mac is a bad machine. In fact it is very good. But to each his own.

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Nov 23, 2017 04:31:48   #
photon56 Loc: North America
 
skibum422 wrote:
Hi all, new to the group. Have a quick questions for you all. I am shopping for a new laptop and have heard pros and cons of both pc's and mac's for photo editing. I have been using lightroom for my photo editing and wondering if anyone has any strong thoughts either way..... which is easier/better for using lightroom. Thanks in advance.


Get a MAC and maximize the memory. The more memory, the better performance for editing large photo files. You can then install Fusion on it and run Windows at the same time. This will give you the best of both worlds. I've been running MAC OS and Windows 10 with very good results.

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Nov 23, 2017 07:32:20   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
kb6kgx wrote:
Maybe more of a problem these days than in the past, but still… there’s a reason why the shelves at Best Buy and, back in the day, CompUSA, etc., had shelves full of antivirus and security software for the Windows PC while, at the same time, just a few titles for the Mac. Why? Because Macs didn’t need it. They were not impossible to hack into, but it was too difficult for the average hacker to try. I have had Macs since 1990 and only recently have encountered a mild malware issue. I’ve NEVER run antivirus software on my Macs. OK, well, that’s not true. For a while I did use SAM (Symantic Antivirus for Mac) and only ONCE did it detect a virus after I inserted a floppy disc. The reason for this level of security on Macs is because it’s a close, proprietary system. Not open to anyone and everyone to develop for it. I’m willing to keep paying more for that level of peace of mind. That, and Macs and their peripheral devices are just designed to… work.

I don’t care that it’s a sealed system. I had tower PCs before, both Dell and Sony, with the idea that I’d upgrade video and sound boards and add in all sorts of things. Know what? I never did. The only thing I ever added was a fancy joystick for my flight simulator games.
Maybe more of a problem these days than in the pas... (show quote)


OSX is not a closed system, anyone can develop for it, I've developed for it.

You do need to be running OSX to develop for it really though and that may be a barrier to entry for some malware writers. It's hard to say how many Macs are in use there are estimates of around 10% of personal computers but 10% of billions is still a pretty high number. With Macs costing on average more than most PC Systems it tends to be people with more money than average who own them. If your aiming to syphon a persons bank account wouldn't you target the ones where there is most to gain? There is more to Mac security than there are less Macs to target.

Someone said that they can build a powerful PC system and burke photo said but can you run OSX High Sierra on it?

The Answer really is it depends on the hardware choices that you make, to start off with first you need an Intel CPU based Motherboard, Most Macs use Intel hardware so an AMD CPU is likely not to be supported with OSX drivers. Then you need a compatible Graphics card, In built networking is usually not a problem wifi bluetooth is easiest achieved by USB devices. Upgrading a Hackintosh is tricky the hardware you got running in Yosemite might not work in Sierra. Some hardware may lose support.

The hardest Hackintoshes to build are laptops there are limited options with hardware you might have everything working but wifi and you can't swop the wifi card since the bios or efi is hard coded to only work with the wifi card the system comes with. So you plugin a usb wifi card maybe.

There are Hackintoshes which are more powerful systems than Apple have ever made, which is a sad state of affairs really. Performance wise OSX tends to outperform Windows on the same hardware. Where Apple always seem to win is noise levels, honestly a bit of peace and quiet while you are working is worth a lot. PC fan noise irritates. Your Hackintosh is never as quiet as the equivalent Mac. OSX is also designed with users in mind far more than Windows ever was you tend not to be forced into house keeping with OSX and the operating system doesn't decide you need an update when you are in the middle of something.

Anyway I don't expect anyone here to build a Hackintosh, and it would be nice if Apple would make better choices for users, the trash can mac pro was a disaster for Mac users, sold a lot of iMacs instead though. Not keeping up with the advances in CPU and GPU technology has also pushed professional users towards PC's Hopefully next year there will be some better choices in Apple hardware especially the Mac Pro.

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Nov 23, 2017 08:06:06   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
shelty wrote:
The latest upgrade of windows 10 makes it almost impossible to hack into.


I have a bridge for sale, interested?


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Nov 23, 2017 09:04:11   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
For those who like to experiment you could buy a clone Macintosh computer for a lot less than a Mac

https://www.macworld.com/article/1132984/psystar.amp.html

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