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Is Program Mode the most-often overlooked mode on the Mode Dial on Modern DSLRs?
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Nov 17, 2017 20:56:14   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Chris T wrote:
There was a post here about the relative advantages of the Nikon D500 (a near $2000 Pro dig cam) vs. the D7500 (a $1250) dig cam. It seems the decisive factor is the lack of a Fully Auto Mode on the former. Isn't the Program mode - near enough - Fully Auto? ... In fact, it's better - as you can still master ISO (which you don't get to do on Fully Auto) PLUS any refinements you make in Creative Mode - vis a vis - Brilliance, Sharpness, Saturation, Contrast - all applicable only to JPEGS, but, which are overlooked in Fully Auto - are maintained. Right?

What Mode on YOUR DSLR - is your favorite?
There was a post here about the relative advantage... (show quote)


Definitely overlooked on my cameras as it has never been used, generally always shoot AV sometimes manual.

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Nov 17, 2017 22:19:19   #
canon Lee
 
Angmo wrote:
Well, no. I find myself in Manual or A whenever I pick up my camera and use it. I don’t recall not shooting in either of those two modes. Well since the 1980s anyway.



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Nov 17, 2017 22:29:17   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Nalu wrote:
I am old school I guess. My wife has been using point and shoots for years and she recently decided that she wanted something that would provide more opportunities and moved into a DSLR. She also splurged and bought lessons from a pro for two days. You know how it is, much better to have some 3rd party doing the teaching that a spouse. Prior to starting her lessons she was trying the various auto modes and expressed nothing but frustration and was about ready to throw the gear away. When she got with the pro, the pro immediately put her in manual and started the discussion about the relationship between ISO, shutter speed and Aperture along with understanding what a histogram can do for you re exposure. 4 items and no need to understand initially all of complicated camera functions. She picked it up quickly. In my simple mind, the auto modes, except in certain circumstances, add more chance for poor exposures. But I will have to add, in some circumstance can be very helpful. But if you want to understand and learn "photography", go manual.
I am old school I guess. My wife has been using p... (show quote)


Nalu ... the earlier post here on this thread - regarding the Navaho Indian Rug I use - attached to the Dashboard w/ Velcro, and the accompanying pics of my red K-50 ON IT, were all shot in P mode, earlier, this afternoon ... just before sunset, and the first one - closeup of the K-50 - doesn't seem to have suffered much, from me shooting in the P mode ... in fact, the exposure was spot on ... the later ones (including the rug, on its own) were shot, closer to Sunset ... so, you can see a progressive darkening ... as I did NOT bother to readjust the ISO - specifically, to make the point - all is not perfect in the Royal Castle - if you get my drift ... but, still, the shots are not so grossly out of whack as to be unusable. Anyway, I was in a rush to shoot them all before the sun went down ... so fiddling with controls - would've meant - I'd have to have resorted to flash ... which I do try and avoid - except when absolutely necessary .....

In this situation, relying on Program - in an ever-darkening environment, perhaps, Program was not the ideal mode to use, but Fully Auto would have brought on the flash, which I didn't wish to use ... and fiddling with AP, SP, OR Manual - would've made me lose the light, so!

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Nov 17, 2017 22:35:00   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Chris T wrote:
I use them all, Angmo ... perhaps, even - SP as much as P ... just a habit, I guess - from using Canons in the pre-digital era ... they were always Shutter-Priority based, whilst Nikons were always Aperture-Priority based ... so, your pick, back then - of a semi-auto mode - was dictated by our camera choice ... Canon's A-1 changed all that ... it was the first DSLR that gave you ALL the modes, prior to digital ....

Then, when we graduated into DSLRs at the turn of the century ... the A-1's perfect solution (all modes, plus Program) became all-inclusive!
I use them all, Angmo ... perhaps, even - SP as mu... (show quote)


Compositional Error Correction ... the Canon A-1 ...was the first SLR to give you ALL the Auto Modes .... my apologies ...

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Nov 17, 2017 22:38:35   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
rook2c4 wrote:
However, one could equally argue that using the camera in nothing but Manual Mode is using only 10% of the camera functions. Certainly there are situations when Manual Mode is the best approach, but then there are other times when one of the semi-auto modes will get the job done, with the same results, but much quicker than fumbling in Manual Mode.


Thanks, Rook ... I concur ....

See my pic posts here on this thread ... where the sun went down, as I was shooting ....

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Nov 17, 2017 22:59:22   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Definitely overlooked on my cameras as it has never been used, generally always shoot AV sometimes manual.


See, now ... that's what's keeping you Blurry-eyed, Blurry ... fiddling all the time with THREE sets of Controls ....

Now, if you just set it on P ... you'd be clear, in NO time, at all ....

Okay, Geffory?


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Nov 18, 2017 07:50:16   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Chris T wrote:
So, for you, Richard ... all those nifty new Auto Modes you have on your new 70D are non-existent, are they?


He didn't say that, did he?


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Nov 18, 2017 07:51:46   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
It depends on what I am shooting and the lighting conditions.
If shooting action it will be shutter priority, this will allow me to control the how the action is portrayed.
Mostly it is aperture priority, as I will want to isolate the subject by controlling depth of field.
If shooting subjects and/or in lighting where I think the in-camera metering system will be fooled (and exposure compensation may not be enough to ensure the "correct" exposure) I will be shooting in manual (or B) exposure mode.
It depends on what I am shooting and the lighting... (show quote)


Thanks for the lesson

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Nov 18, 2017 10:55:56   #
Angmo
 
I use manual Or aperture only. I never fumble. After a while, you can see light and be close. Or hand held meter and beat anything a camera uses.

But, they’re all tools to use - available for all.

P mode is just too middle of the road for me. If you shoot a pic of someone outside on P mode, then at f2.0, you’ll see a difference. “Professional” is nEither here nor there. Just middle of the road. Plain ol vanilla iPhone pic.

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Nov 18, 2017 11:03:03   #
Angmo
 
canon Lee wrote:


Oops!!! Only those two modes since the 1980s...

Maybe P mode could stand for “Phone” mode. No different than my iPhone. Full auto...

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Nov 18, 2017 12:13:29   #
SierraP Loc: Eastern Sierras
 
Chris,
You are right about no money working in a camera store. I retired from an aerospace company as a Senior Engineer. The camera store was better than unemployment, the store kept me busy. The pay was a shocker, a week there was less than one day as an engineer. The perks were good. I have a lot of lenses and everything was wholesale.
I noticed that you have a Pentax 6X7. I carried two of them around for a year until my neck said no more. They were a lot handier than the Mamiya 6X7. I sold both of them, five lenses, a Minolta Flash/ light meter, and the Pentax case to Adorama in New York for a whopping $500. I still have 4 Minolta XE7's, recently sold my Minolta KN Motor to a guy in Vietnam.
Chris, whee are you lining now??

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Nov 18, 2017 12:54:51   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
gary post wrote:
Chris,
You are right about no money working in a camera store. I retired from an aerospace company as a Senior Engineer. The camera store was better than unemployment, the store kept me busy. The pay was a shocker, a week there was less than one day as an engineer. The perks were good. I have a lot of lenses and everything was wholesale.
I noticed that you have a Pentax 6X7. I carried two of them around for a year until my neck said no more. They were a lot handier than the Mamiya 6X7. I sold both of them, five lenses, a Minolta Flash/ light meter, and the Pentax case to Adorama in New York for a whopping $500. I still have 4 Minolta XE7's, recently sold my Minolta KN Motor to a guy in Vietnam.
Chris, whee are you lining now??
Chris, br You are right about no money working... (show quote)


I had a couple of Mamiya RB 67s too, Gary ... not both at the same time ... the first one was seized by Customs at Heathrow (along with all of my Nikon Fs and some other gear) in 1972 ... it was many years before I was able to get another. That one was sold privately, back in the 80s ... along with my Mamiya Universal (645, 6x6, 6x7, 6x9) ... I got a pittance for them both. I acquired the Pentax 6x7 in the 90s. Managed to keep that one, to this day. You actually carried two of them around your neck, huh, Gary? ... I hope you didn't break something ... you could've, you know ... Yup, see ... when you sell stuff, you never get anything near what you paid for them ... nor, probably - what they're really worth. I've every plans of keeping what I have now. Film cameras, uh! But, digital - may as well hang onto.

In 73 ... I found this house here in Connecticut, Gary ... had it ever since. But, in 2002 ... I took off up to Canada. I got a little scared, after the WTC thing ... I was afraid, I was going to be extinguished, living so close to NYC (45mins to an hour) so I wound up living there for six months - first, in Ontario, then in Quebec, then New Brunswick ... finally came back from there in September. Haven't gone anywhere since.

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Nov 18, 2017 16:23:48   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Interesting points raised. Although I rarely even look at the P mode, I will use it for a few days and play with it. Sounds like fun.

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Nov 18, 2017 16:46:55   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Tom G wrote:
He didn't say that, did he?



No, Richard didn't say that, Tom ... but, since I know he just replaced his 40D with a 70D ... I made the assumption ....

Didn't use 'em before, so why should he, now, right?

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Nov 18, 2017 16:53:17   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
sirlensalot wrote:
Interesting points raised. Although I rarely even look at the P mode, I will use it for a few days and play with it. Sounds like fun.


Good, Lens ... I think you will find it to be the best semi-automatic mode of the lot ... takes care of exposure vis a vis f-stop/shutter speed - yet allows you to master ISO, and decide whether the built-in flash should be used, PLUS all JPEG fine adjustments are embraced!!!

It's a damned good compromise, if you ask me ....

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