Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)

And you understood what I meant ... yes?

fotolenz

I agree with you. Having to pay a monthly fee to have access to software is only a way for Adobe to make more money. Software by a few other companies now require you to upgrade your desktop/laptop to use it. When will that happen with LR on the cloud? Photoshop & Elements upgrades are coming and will they then be moved to the cloud?. Having to upgrade hardware all every 3 yrs to run new versions of software is fine for corporations and business but the little guy can't afford to do that. Just venting my frustrations.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Maybe. But don’t take this personally. It’s aimed at the community here:

I come down firmly on the side of those of us who create intellectual property. Adobe is under no requirement to keep supporting older versions of its software. True, it will run “indefinitely.” I can still run PageMaker 6.5 on Mac OS 9.2.2 on a PowerMac G4 from 1999. But unless I need to update and print some old form, that Mac stays in the closet. It’s freakin’ old!

Creative cloud is a professional application suite that happens to be used by some amateurs who want to use it. That creates some confusion and frustrations.

Most pros LIKE the facts that their software will be up to date at all times, will take advantage of late model hardware and the latest OS, and will be subject to continuous development, debugging, and innovation.

We LIKE the subscription model for the way it evens out our expenses. The cost is predictable.

We LIKE the idea that Adobe’s help desk only has to support the current version. They’re less confused!

We LIKE the incremental changes being stretched out over time, because the changes are easier to learn, assimilate, and use in our workflows.

We LIKE the fact that Adobe isn’t afraid to take advantage of new technologies that may make old hardware obsolete.

If Adobe pisses off a few amateur users who can’t understand that the software wasn’t really developed for their needs, well, so be it. Developers can please everyone only some of the time, and that’s okay.

Lightroom Classic CC 2018 and Lightroom CC 2018 and Photoshop CC 2018 and Adobe Bridge are an incredible package value at twice the price. If you are a pro, $120/year is practically free. The sale of just one image often pays for a year’s subscription, if not the computer, too!

If you are an amateur, maybe a retiree on a fixed income, I get it. $120/year could be significant. So go find Software you can afford. There are plenty of reasonably priced options. Some, such as GIMP, are even free.

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

I think Adobe is cooking its own goose by doing this, but time will tell.

blackest Loc: Ireland

This Post is interesting

https://www.lightroomforums.net/threads/the-survey-results-are-in.28341/

Obviously this is only a sample of lightroom users but the vast majority of users are not professional users and subscription users make up around 60% of the versions used.

It's worth noting that it's only paying customers that are affected by these choices made by adobe. The whole creative suite is available by a modified version of a frame work which cuts out the activation check.

Having a standalone version of any of the CC products is extremely easy, its a shame adobe are not providing the option.

Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)

I listened to the interview posted by Dman. Nowhere in that interview did I hear anything resembling words like ... Adobe will no longer update ..., OR we will be phasing out ... , or any reference to LR6 going away.
If Adobe is not going to put out any more updates to LR6 (or what ever it is now called), I would like to hear them clearly say so.
If someone has another interview with Adobe officials that addresses the situation more clearly, please post the link. BTW, I am now using ON1 as well as LR6 and am quite impressed with ON1.

LA Loc: Little Rock, AR

I suppose next we can expect "Let them eat cake."

Why does Burkphoto even care whether Adobe continues to offer LR w/o subscription? How does Adobe's offering it affect him, negatively or any other way? This is beyond sad.

And then he goes on to say: "If you are an amateur, maybe a retiree on a fixed income, I get it. $120/year could be significant. So go find Software you can afford. There are plenty of reasonably priced options. Some, such as GIMP, are even free."

More cake, I suppose. So what about those of us in the lower class - that would be amateurs - who have years and terabytes invested in LR. Just give it up? Come on, Burkphoto, your Marie is showing.

thephotoman Loc: Rochester, NY

Larry, just to clarify the subscription format. When you sign up, you download the programs to your computer. Your photos remain on your computer. There are options to store some photos in the cloud for easy sharing. Also, if you have multiple devices you can sync your work to those devices.
The big advantage to the subscription plan is all updates are free. This past update under the old plan would most likely have been a new edition requiring an outlay of money.
I hope this clears things up a bit.

blackest Loc: Ireland

That outlay of money going by past pricing would have been around $72 for the update. The subscription now makes it $120 a year and since the update cycle has been around 2 years about $240 for something that used to cost a 1/4 of that.

At least Adobe are still prepared to sell the Adobe 6 stand alone even if they try their best to push you to buy Lightroom 6 CC instead.

thephotoman Loc: Rochester, NY

Keep in mind, the plan includes PS. Also, you have to consider if they come out with a completely new version if each then it is more money. Adobe also does many smaller upgrades for free that you would have to pay do Or they might hold off till a minor upgrade. I have seen many new features added or improved many times a year.
I realize not everyone needs or wants all of these changes immediately. I get it if someone is content with upgrading every 2 second upgrade. But it probably is to expensive to maintain 2 different versions. I would guess the cost would be passed on to the buyer of the stand alone product.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

What good is a program that loses support? It is EOL on 1/1/2017. No doubt it will work fine with your existing equipment and OS until they croak. But buy a new camera introduced in 2018, and Lr6 will not support it. You'll need to find a workaround. At some point, Apple and Microsoft will update their operating systems, and break something in Lr 6.

The $120/year gets you FOUR professional level apps — Photoshop CC 2018, Lightroom CLASSIC CC 2018, Lightroom CC 2018, and Adobe Bridge. There are hundreds of good reasons to use at least two of them in tandem for a complete workflow. What I don't do in LR Classic CC, I do in Photoshop CC. They are brother and sister.

Rickyb

Perhaps Google is going to buy Adobe! They bought NIK!