Does the camera matter?
Oct 26, 2011 15:10:54 #
renomike wrote:
I agree completely....but I still have my wife carry around a P&S when I don't want to carry my other stuff, Just for those times when "God I wish I had a Camera" times happen :-D
bobmielke wrote:
To do all this I need a DSLR with a full set of features. I've outgrown the capabilities of a P&S in my creative work. :)
I agree completely....but I still have my wife carry around a P&S when I don't want to carry my other stuff, Just for those times when "God I wish I had a Camera" times happen :-D
I have my DSLR & lenses but rarely with me unless on purpose. My iPhone cell camera w 8mp is almost always in my pocket.
Oct 26, 2011 15:11:19 #
SpiffyPhoto
Actually I have learned MUCH more with my digital cameras (have had 9 so far, beginning with a 3 mp model), because of the ability to experiment and take many, many shots at negligible cost compared to film, where I had to consider food and lodging versus the cost of film and processing. My digital "keeper" ratio is still around 3 %, same as with film.
Actually I have learned MUCH more with my digital cameras (have had 9 so far, beginning with a 3 mp model), because of the ability to experiment and take many, many shots at negligible cost compared to film, where I had to consider food and lodging versus the cost of film and processing. My digital "keeper" ratio is still around 3 %, same as with film.
Oct 26, 2011 15:20:43 #
Oct 26, 2011 15:41:29 #
photocat
Loc: Atlanta, Ga
The issue I see all the time with my classes. Marketing has folks believeing all they need is ..... (fill in blank) and they will be able to take drop dead terrific images.
THey buy the camera, basically just wanting to take "better mom pictures" and discover they need to do more than just aim and have an award winning photo.
FOr the most part they aren't interested photography, just want better family snaps and are shocked to discover it takes practice and lots of hard work to master that camera that promised so much.
Many cameras on full auto do a good job with exposure, but learning how to fill the frame is a different matter.
It is not so much as being lazy as it is not understanding just what it is going to take to have those wonderful "award" winning images.
Lazy, maybe so, maybe not. being over whelmed with fstops, shutters speed (and it goes on) can be a just too much for a parent with children, cleaning house, running earrands and working to spend a lot of time learning and practicing a craft that takes a lot of hard work.
THey buy the camera, basically just wanting to take "better mom pictures" and discover they need to do more than just aim and have an award winning photo.
FOr the most part they aren't interested photography, just want better family snaps and are shocked to discover it takes practice and lots of hard work to master that camera that promised so much.
Many cameras on full auto do a good job with exposure, but learning how to fill the frame is a different matter.
It is not so much as being lazy as it is not understanding just what it is going to take to have those wonderful "award" winning images.
Lazy, maybe so, maybe not. being over whelmed with fstops, shutters speed (and it goes on) can be a just too much for a parent with children, cleaning house, running earrands and working to spend a lot of time learning and practicing a craft that takes a lot of hard work.
Oct 26, 2011 16:11:32 #
PNagy wrote:
A friend of mine is an award winning photographer. He won contests with point and shoot cameras, but when he switched to Canon SLR and L lenses his work became better. The machine and the operator both count.
I'd say this one settles it ladies and gentlemen, The machine(tecnolagy)and the operater both count.
Oct 26, 2011 16:17:28 #
photocat, i think youve discovereda niche market for pros and advanced amatuers to work. Offering classes for snapshooters to improve their snapshots, not neccesarily turn them into photographers, but how to make a photo of aunt becky, uncle floyd and the family turkey really shine. I guarentee that it would turn lucrative. especialy after the Christmas( not holiday but CHRISTmas) season, when lots of people got new cameras for Christmas.
Oct 26, 2011 16:19:13 #
sinatraman wrote:
since the camera doesn't matter anybody with a d-300, d-700 or d-3 that wants to feel liberated, i have a nikon l-22 point +shoot i'll trade straight up. Anybody? Anybody?
I shoot with a p+s because thats all i can afford, and it does offer the put in pocket take it with you at all times advantage. and it does take incrediable photos but to paraphrase Dire Straights " I want my, I want my, I want my dslr".
I shoot with a p+s because thats all i can afford, and it does offer the put in pocket take it with you at all times advantage. and it does take incrediable photos but to paraphrase Dire Straights " I want my, I want my, I want my dslr".
seem's to be some think it dosen't matter.....so im sure you will get your trade.
Nice one, thats good enough to shut this whole conversation down.
Oct 26, 2011 16:26:25 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
I took photo journalism under Wilson Hicks the man who established Life as a photo mag. I learned how to be a photo editor under his tutelage. The great photographers of the 30s and 40s had basic cameras Leicas and Rolles. Some used 4X5 cameras but as Hicks used to say they had the ability to capture a moment in time. They were great photographers. They had an eye!
I remember when when President Johnson visited Miami Beach. All the photographers used the cameras mentioned or Nikons. Also, they used little 120 cameras on broom handles that were rigged so that they could hold it above the crowd and get a shot.
So it was not the equipment but the photographers. They knew where to be, they preset their cameras to a specific aperture and then selected the speed to shoot at - most took light meter readings of the hall so they had an idea of how fast to shoot. Nothing fancy, just good photographers who knew their equipment while taking lots of shots.
I remember when when President Johnson visited Miami Beach. All the photographers used the cameras mentioned or Nikons. Also, they used little 120 cameras on broom handles that were rigged so that they could hold it above the crowd and get a shot.
So it was not the equipment but the photographers. They knew where to be, they preset their cameras to a specific aperture and then selected the speed to shoot at - most took light meter readings of the hall so they had an idea of how fast to shoot. Nothing fancy, just good photographers who knew their equipment while taking lots of shots.
Oct 26, 2011 16:40:29 #
You have it all wrong! It's neither the camera nor the operator(note I do not use the term, photographer). Its a lot of both plus Murphies Law, patience and ability to accept the fact that some time it's better to be lucky than good! That's when you become a photographer, when you luck out and admit it was luck!!!! Can you tell what was planned and what just happened? Are you able to look at the 4 attachments and be objective? Will you allow Murphie's Law, "Anything that can happen, will" to assisit your decision and finally, can you, honestly, in your heart of hearts judge anothers thoughts? Finally, of the 4, which ONE, was taken with a $60.00 point and shoot leaving the others to a $500.00 SLR Body! Huh?......CTP
AIA South of St. Augustine@ twilight
Winged Victory, Louvre, hand held, available lite, manual counting
Old Shoes that I tossed and left at the end of the driveway. Came back and thought, "Damn, there's a picture"!
Result of a reward. Survived 45 Prostate Radiation hits. Gifted with the flight . All right now, y'all tell me which one was the P&S.
Oct 26, 2011 16:54:54 #
seaside7 wrote:
quote=bobmielke quote=SpiffyPhoto quote=bobmiel... (show quote)
Careful I never said, nor agree with the statement that we've become lazy.
Oct 26, 2011 17:21:50 #
Dektol!!!!!!!!I miss the smell of Hypo and stains from any developing solution. I miss the enamel trays and all the great gadgets I uster buy cuz I thought it would make my dark room more efficient. I miss trying all the different papers that were available and pulling a two year old 100' roll of 400ASA (remember ASA?) 35 mm film from the freezer and rolling me a batch. I miss taking a light reading on the field and going back up in the stands and shooting the game from my seat with that same reading. But would I trade all that for my Pentax K10D---oh and by the way---I like my Pentax---I've shot Pentax for over 40 years---Don't let the salesman nor the ego driven photographer sell you a name---getcher machine and learn how to use it!---Yes I love my Pentax........CTP
Where Else But Texas?
Did I hear some one utter, "Yuck!"?
It's Hell Being Green!
Oct 26, 2011 17:31:53 #
PIXChuck wrote:
Dektol!!!!!!!!I miss the smell of Hypo and stains ... (show quote)
Did you ever push Tri-X to 1600 ASA?
Oct 26, 2011 17:34:29 #
Yes and I have Frank Sinatra's next to last concert, in Houston Texas. to prove it. Have to drag it out of my flash drive. I'll post them tomorrow. OK?.......CTP
Oct 26, 2011 17:37:50 #
photocat
Loc: Atlanta, Ga
I have pushed trix past that point.
And, i do very nicely teaching people to take better photographs with the winter session needing more sessions. Winter session starts in Jan. :)
pixchuck; luck favors the prepared. the harder one works the luckier they get.
And, i do very nicely teaching people to take better photographs with the winter session needing more sessions. Winter session starts in Jan. :)
pixchuck; luck favors the prepared. the harder one works the luckier they get.
Oct 26, 2011 17:48:21 #
Yes, I am with you about the dark room, I had a Bessler enlarger and all the dark room equipment. I still do negative development (B&W) and scan them into Photoshop. I love DK76 and fixers. Ah the good old days. To keep at it I have a Mamiya 645 AFD and AFD II with 120/220 film back. That said I will not part with my digital gear. When I was shooting weddings I used the Mamiya RB and would use it on portraits as well. I shot landscape with my Leica's M2, M3 and M4. Those were the days when DK76 ran in our veins.
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