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Nov 12, 2017 15:22:07   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
"We're the Government, We're here to Help!". PA also collects 6% PA Sales Tax. Cost of doing business. For me, it's Tax Deductible so I'm even less inclined to moan.

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Nov 12, 2017 16:09:01   #
whitewolfowner
 
Captkirk wrote:
Just to make you all aware that Adobe WILL increase the price of the Photographers package when they so decide I thought you might like to know the New Zealand scenario.
When I subscribed to the package about 2 1/2 years back, the price was $9.99 Australian. (With our currency that translated to about $NZ11.50 a month.) About a year ago Adobe decided that we should pay significantly more for this wonderful package and increased the price to $AU 11.99 per month. That currently translates to about $NZ15.00 a month. Wasn't impressed with this increase but just decided to bear it. Have just received an email from Adobe which tells me that our NZ Govt have caught up with a number of businesses trading in NZ as they do and from End of November they will have to increase their price to recoup the 15% GST they are required to pay. Thats going to add a further $NZ2.25 to the present charge. Starting to get expensive now and I'm keeping an eye on the reviews and comments coming from this site regarding Luminar, On One and the other new and developing software packages. $NZ17.25 a month takes it out to $NZ210.00 per year. Its getting up there!!
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Adobe is just getting worse and worse with the extortion package. Have you considered buying lightroom 6 out right? B & H sells it for about $142.00 American.

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Nov 12, 2017 16:34:00   #
Captkirk Loc: Masterton, Wairarapa, New Zealand
 
Thats exactly what Adobe are doing for our government. When I owned a retail computer shop I was obliged to collect GST on every sale and pay it to the govt at the end of the month.
Bill_de wrote:
Are you just indicating that Adobe is just acting as a collection agent?


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Nov 12, 2017 16:58:06   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
Captkirk wrote:
Just to make you all aware that Adobe WILL increase the price of the Photographers package when they so decide I thought you might like to know the New Zealand scenario.
When I subscribed to the package about 2 1/2 years back, the price was $9.99 Australian. (With our currency that translated to about $NZ11.50 a month.) About a year ago Adobe decided that we should pay significantly more for this wonderful package and increased the price to $AU 11.99 per month. That currently translates to about $NZ15.00 a month. Wasn't impressed with this increase but just decided to bear it. Have just received an email from Adobe which tells me that our NZ Govt have caught up with a number of businesses trading in NZ as they do and from End of November they will have to increase their price to recoup the 15% GST they are required to pay. Thats going to add a further $NZ2.25 to the present charge. Starting to get expensive now and I'm keeping an eye on the reviews and comments coming from this site regarding Luminar, On One and the other new and developing software packages. $NZ17.25 a month takes it out to $NZ210.00 per year. Its getting up there!!
Just to make you all aware that Adobe WILL increas... (show quote)


I have "ON1 Photo RAW 2018" and "Affinity Photo" so I am covered pretty well. In addition to these I already had "Corel PaintShop Pro X9". It's highly unlikely that I will need to worry or even give any thought to subscribing to the Adobe Cloud products. What I have will be able to handle anything I my want to do in PP.

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Nov 12, 2017 17:00:41   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
Adobe went to the subscription thing to suck a lot me people in that where never going to pay to own PS. What will they do next? This proved to me that they have no idea how to treat their existing loyal customers.

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Nov 12, 2017 17:19:17   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
I find it ABSOLUTELY AMAZING that those who do not like Adobe, it's products or it's procedures, continue to trash the company. IMHO, and ONLY IMHO, I like both their products and their fee structure and continue to support them by using Lightroom Classic. It helps me get MY job done, faster, better and more efficiently than anything else I've tried. I have NO intention of switching at this time, but the future, well, that's the future. I've invested my time in learning the Adobe programs and the workflow that works best for me. Please, use whatever you want, but bashing the obvious world leader because you're pissed at them for whatever reason makes NO sense at all. Go forth, make some images and then process them in whatever software you like. I'll do the same, but using Lightroom Classic, as I am doing right now. Is that OK with those of you that insist on bashing, or must I 'roll over' to your preferred software? Who is number 2 anyway? Best of luck.

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Nov 12, 2017 18:35:12   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
cjc2 wrote:
I find it ABSOLUTELY AMAZING that those who do not like Adobe, it's products or it's procedures, continue to trash the company. IMHO, and ONLY IMHO, I like both their products and their fee structure and continue to support them by using Lightroom Classic. It helps me get MY job done, faster, better and more efficiently than anything else I've tried. I have NO intention of switching at this time, but the future, well, that's the future. I've invested my time in learning the Adobe programs and the workflow that works best for me. Please, use whatever you want, but bashing the obvious world leader because you're pissed at them for whatever reason makes NO sense at all. Go forth, make some images and then process them in whatever software you like. I'll do the same, but using Lightroom Classic, as I am doing right now. Is that OK with those of you that insist on bashing, or must I 'roll over' to your preferred software? Who is number 2 anyway? Best of luck.
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Nov 12, 2017 18:55:34   #
Captkirk Loc: Masterton, Wairarapa, New Zealand
 
CJC2 I am not "Trashing" Adobe. Their software is brilliant and like you I use it extensively. My beef is their continued promotion of a $9.99 price without recognising that that is NOT the price in Aus or NZ. You will have seen a number of posts in this feed that keeps telling me that the US $ has strengthened over the AUS and NZ dollar and we should be expecting to pay more. Well, just like the US we had heaps of Adobe promotion at the $9.99 price, (In fact the AUS Dollar price.) As a Kiwi I expected to pay more that the $9.99 NZ, but I certainly was not prepared for a subsequent arbitrary price increase. (MUCH less the addition of the GST.) From what I have read here, you are all paying $US9.99 regardless of the Sales Tax implications for your individual states. Adobe made a HUGE profit in the last financial year which came about because of the huge uptake of the Pghotographers Package. In fact from what I hear they are almost embarrassed by the increase in income. Like you I have no wish to change from the Photographers package but $210 a year is a bit of a hit when youre on a fixed income. Mind you I suspect that this forum is probably monitored by Adobe as it is by many of the other Retailers/Wholesalers out there. Cant think of a better way to let Adobe know what we think. Besides I am starting to hear of other packages coming on stream which are as good if not better than the Adobe products. I'll just wait to read the recommendations of others on here before I make a decision on continuation or adoption of another package.
cjc2 wrote:
I find it ABSOLUTELY AMAZING that those who do not like Adobe, it's products or it's procedures, continue to trash the company. IMHO, and ONLY IMHO, I like both their products and their fee structure and continue to support them by using Lightroom Classic. It helps me get MY job done, faster, better and more efficiently than anything else I've tried. I have NO intention of switching at this time, but the future, well, that's the future. I've invested my time in learning the Adobe programs and the workflow that works best for me. Please, use whatever you want, but bashing the obvious world leader because you're pissed at them for whatever reason makes NO sense at all. Go forth, make some images and then process them in whatever software you like. I'll do the same, but using Lightroom Classic, as I am doing right now. Is that OK with those of you that insist on bashing, or must I 'roll over' to your preferred software? Who is number 2 anyway? Best of luck.
I find it ABSOLUTELY AMAZING that those who do not... (show quote)

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Nov 12, 2017 19:24:01   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Captkirk wrote:
CJC2 I am not "Trashing" Adobe. Their software is brilliant and like you I use it extensively. My beef is their continued promotion of a $9.99 price without recognising that that is NOT the price in Aus or NZ. You will have seen a number of posts in this feed that keeps telling me that the US $ has strengthened over the AUS and NZ dollar and we should be expecting to pay more. Well, just like the US we had heaps of Adobe promotion at the $9.99 price, (In fact the AUS Dollar price.) As a Kiwi I expected to pay more that the $9.99 NZ, but I certainly was not prepared for a subsequent arbitrary price increase. (MUCH less the addition of the GST.) From what I have read here, you are all paying $US9.99 regardless of the Sales Tax implications for your individual states. Adobe made a HUGE profit in the last financial year which came about because of the huge uptake of the Pghotographers Package. In fact from what I hear they are almost embarrassed by the increase in income. Like you I have no wish to change from the Photographers package but $210 a year is a bit of a hit when youre on a fixed income. Mind you I suspect that this forum is probably monitored by Adobe as it is by many of the other Retailers/Wholesalers out there. Cant think of a better way to let Adobe know what we think. Besides I am starting to hear of other packages coming on stream which are as good if not better than the Adobe products. I'll just wait to read the recommendations of others on here before I make a decision on continuation or adoption of another package.
CJC2 I am not "Trashing" Adobe. Their so... (show quote)


Adobe charges sales taxes where required by law.

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Nov 12, 2017 21:51:46   #
Jacksonville Loc: Australia
 
I cancelled the Photography plan recently. Then I thought about the amount of money I "lose" buying coffee most days and other incidental expenditures and have just signed up again. I turned down their offer of two free months when I cancelled, so that was money wasted due to my badly considered decision. I then paid for the year in advance which was AUD $171.48 in order to avoid any increases during the year. I spend a heck of a lot more than that coffee, lunches, magazines etc. If the Adobe charges were a problem I would cut back on those. Living on a fixed income or a pension is entirely a different matter.

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Nov 13, 2017 09:21:38   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
cjc2 wrote:
I find it ABSOLUTELY AMAZING that those who do not like Adobe, it's products or it's procedures, continue to trash the company. IMHO, and ONLY IMHO, I like both their products and their fee structure and continue to support them by using Lightroom Classic. It helps me get MY job done, faster, better and more efficiently than anything else I've tried. I have NO intention of switching at this time, but the future, well, that's the future. I've invested my time in learning the Adobe programs and the workflow that works best for me. Please, use whatever you want, but bashing the obvious world leader because you're pissed at them for whatever reason makes NO sense at all. Go forth, make some images and then process them in whatever software you like. I'll do the same, but using Lightroom Classic, as I am doing right now. Is that OK with those of you that insist on bashing, or must I 'roll over' to your preferred software? Who is number 2 anyway? Best of luck.
I find it ABSOLUTELY AMAZING that those who do not... (show quote)



"If it leads, it's a target" Doesn't matter what 'it' is, or who, they are targeted.

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Nov 13, 2017 09:29:29   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Captkirk wrote:
CJC2 I am not "Trashing" Adobe. Their software is brilliant and like you I use it extensively. My beef is their continued promotion of a $9.99 price without recognising that that is NOT the price in Aus or NZ. You will have seen a number of posts in this feed that keeps telling me that the US $ has strengthened over the AUS and NZ dollar and we should be expecting to pay more. Well, just like the US we had heaps of Adobe promotion at the $9.99 price, (In fact the AUS Dollar price.) As a Kiwi I expected to pay more that the $9.99 NZ, but I certainly was not prepared for a subsequent arbitrary price increase. (MUCH less the addition of the GST.) From what I have read here, you are all paying $US9.99 regardless of the Sales Tax implications for your individual states. Adobe made a HUGE profit in the last financial year which came about because of the huge uptake of the Pghotographers Package. In fact from what I hear they are almost embarrassed by the increase in income. Like you I have no wish to change from the Photographers package but $210 a year is a bit of a hit when youre on a fixed income. Mind you I suspect that this forum is probably monitored by Adobe as it is by many of the other Retailers/Wholesalers out there. Cant think of a better way to let Adobe know what we think. Besides I am starting to hear of other packages coming on stream which are as good if not better than the Adobe products. I'll just wait to read the recommendations of others on here before I make a decision on continuation or adoption of another package.
CJC2 I am not "Trashing" Adobe. Their so... (show quote)


Points of view matter. Did the US dollar strengthen or did the AUS/NZ weaken? Either way the price increase was not arbitrary but a necessary correction called for by the disparity. I'm sorry, you are not being picked on.

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Nov 13, 2017 11:31:34   #
anderzander
 
Adobe was founded at the University of Utah by a couple of graduate students, it wasn't designed for photographers, it was for the design production industry/print industry, it is an amazing product but if you are not a professional designer/photographer/illustrator and layout artist, you don't need a full blown Adobe package, I'm a professional designer more than a photographer so don't get lost in the hype around Adobe products, I still use Photoshop 6 for basic photo work and CS6 for everything else, especially Page-Maker and In-Design. I'm a graphic designer first and photo documenter second. My son in law is a professional photographer and a wiz with Adobe photo products, he isn't a layout designer, my daughter is a graphic designer and not a photographer, she is a wiz at layout design and composition along with photo retouching.
If you are frustrated with new technology do the research then you will know what works best for your own results, also if you are familiar with "TOY STORY" John Lasyter "Pixar Studios and now Walt Disney, not sure about Lasyter spelling but "Ed Catmull" who also graduated from the U of U computer science design program is the genious behind 3D Animation.

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Nov 13, 2017 11:37:30   #
anderzander
 
ADDED TO MY PREVIOUS REPLY, I also use Photoshop images imported into Illustrator for large format printing and Illustrator effects. Pixel vs Fractal is where the medium is at and there is a big difference between the too formats.

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Nov 14, 2017 16:24:50   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Where did you get the idea that CS6 was now hackable because it is no longer supported? And what does that even mean? If your computer is hacked your files can be taken.
But if CS6 is hacked, what can the hacker do, post process your pics?

Leicaflex wrote:
This does not surprise me at all.

Adobe Labs have now a captive audience, having stopped all technical support
to all the customers who purchased standalone software in September 2017, with the exception of Elements.

They can now increase their products range as and when they like.

I myself, having paid a considerable amount of money for CS6 Pro, is now no longer supported and therefore
not a safe program to have on your PC, hackable.

I to am looking at DxO, Onone, Affinity and so on.
This does not surprise me at all. br br Adobe L... (show quote)

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