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Nov 5, 2017 14:38:20   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
I just don't get the stubborn attitude that only a DSLR will do. They've done so much to improve phone cameras that they are now leaps and bounds better than that 6mp camera you paid how for in 2000? You have in your pocket a 12mp camera with autofocus that's capable of 4K video should you want to use it. And the color depth and lack of noise are amazing considering the size and weight. Read this article and tell me if this stubbornness is really justified. I know, I shouldn't try to confuse anyone with the facts.

http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-6s-camera-specs-and-features-2015-9/#apple-also-improved-its-front-facing-facetime-hd-camera-upgrading-from-12-megapixels-to-5-megapixels-for-more-detailed-selfies-15

And iPhone 8 and X will be even better.

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Nov 5, 2017 15:44:24   #
Smudgey Loc: Ohio, Calif, Now Arizona
 
Me too.
3dees wrote:
hope you enjoy it, but I'll stick with my DSLR until someone proves that a phone is a better option.

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Nov 5, 2017 15:48:18   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
10MPlayer wrote:
I just don't get the stubborn attitude that only a DSLR will do. They've done so much to improve phone cameras that they are now leaps and bounds better than that 6mp camera you paid how for in 2000? You have in your pocket a 12mp camera with autofocus that's capable of 4K video should you want to use it. And the color depth and lack of noise are amazing considering the size and weight. Read this article and tell me if this stubbornness is really justified. I know, I shouldn't try to confuse anyone with the facts.

http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-6s-camera-specs-and-features-2015-9/#apple-also-improved-its-front-facing-facetime-hd-camera-upgrading-from-12-megapixels-to-5-megapixels-for-more-detailed-selfies-15

And iPhone 8 and X will be even better.
I just don't get the stubborn attitude that only a... (show quote)

I don’t see any responses to the facts I presented just a few posts ago

Fact: smart phone focusing systems don’t handle motion well

Fact: smart phones tend to be wide-angle only

plus

Fact: smart phones provide little opportunity to over-ride exposure decisions

Fact: smart phones provide limited help when slow shutter speeds are essential

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Nov 5, 2017 15:57:54   #
le boecere
 
Peterff wrote:
Thanks for this post, it is interesting and provides value for those people that are receptive. Much of the resistance to smartphone cameras is based on ignorance, prejudice or both.

Smartphone cameras are mostly excellent, extremely capable, and almost ubiquitous. No serious photographer should be without one, but they do have limits and are not a replacement for other gear. Like any camera equipment it takes time to learn to use well.

A few weeks ago we had massive wildfires and smoke filled skies across the Bay Area of California. A couple of days where the sunsets resembled a Turner painting or the skies over Mordor.

My wife was travelling home from work when everyone had to get off the street car. The sky was spectacular, the smartphones came out 'cos "everyone" that was in any degree photographically inclined wanted to capture the moment. The unanimous comment was that the phones couldn't capture the image in their heads. My wife didn't have her DSLR with her for some strange reason.

My neighbor (with a decent Lumix) and I with a DSLR were getting images at the same time.

I'm very happy with my smartphone, but there is a time and a place for everything. I seldom go anywhere without my smartphone, can't say that about the rest of my cameras.
Thanks for this post, it is interesting and provid... (show quote)


Your words: " No serious photographer should be without one," ~ I quite aware that I'm the only person on the internet who does not know the answer to this question, so I'll admit to both ignorance and selfishness. My question is; "why"?

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Nov 5, 2017 16:48:24   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
le boecere wrote:
Your words: " No serious photographer should be without one," ~ I quite aware that I'm the only person on the internet who does not know the answer to this question, so I'll admit to both ignorance and selfishness. My question is; "why"?


I don't know of any amateur photographer, and that's me, who doesn't own a smartphone. And if a pro photographer does not have a smartphone, I would wonder why? You can get a smartphone for really inexpensive prices today. It doesn't necessarily has to be an expensive iPhone model. The flip style cell phones are virtually unseen today. It was my first one.

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Nov 5, 2017 16:53:21   #
Acountry330 Loc: Dothan,Ala USA
 
I have been known to leave my camera at home. But you cam probably count on one hand the times I did. Happy shooting.

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Nov 5, 2017 16:56:47   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
sb wrote:
Does an iPhone have a lens that focuses? That is the first I have heard about it, but it does actually do a pretty good job of close-up photography...


Yes. Every pixel is sharp. Color is off due to moire and white balance/exposure issues, but yes, it focuses. I know plenty of folks who use iPhones to copy slides and prints. One guy put slots in a paper towel core tube... to make a slide copier! One slot holds the phone, and the other holds the slide.


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Nov 5, 2017 17:11:21   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
rehess wrote:
I don’t see any responses to the facts I presented just a few posts ago...


Fact: smart phone focusing systems don’t handle motion well

***My iPhone 7 Plus has a stabilizer that works *very* well.

Fact: smart phones tend to be wide-angle only

***The iPhone 7 Plus, 8 Plus, and X have a second camera with normal lens (that they call telephoto)

Fact: smart phones provide little opportunity to over-ride exposure decisions

***All you have to do is download an advanced camera app for a few dollars and you can control everything manually! Camera + is one.

Fact: smart phones provide limited help when slow shutter speeds are essential

***If you have good technique, you can hand-hold a silhouette exposure in moonlight with a 6s Plus, 7 Plus, 8 Plus, or X. And you can purchase inexpensive tripod mounts for them. AND, you can hold a neutral density filter over the lens to reduce the shutter speed.

The real limitations are lack of control over actual depth of field, and difficulty using other lenses.

Smartphones DO NOT replace the role of an advanced camera for serious, intentional photography, for serious intentional photographers. I don't think anyone ever argues that point.

What smartphones do replace is the *casual* photographer's old 35mm SLR or point-and-shoot, most of the point-and-shoot digital cameras made since 2000, and the dSLR they never bothered to learn how to use. A total novice with a smartphone probably produces more interesting and useful photos than (s)he would with a dSLR, assuming (s)he has never read the dSLR manual, never taken a photography course, and has no patience to do so.

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Nov 5, 2017 17:14:12   #
londonfire Loc: NY to NC
 
a6k, I read your post and took it for what it was intended to be...a comment that phones today are pretty damn good and almost always with you. Today I ran out the door to sell a car that I've owned for 14 years and didn't think to bring my big guns and a tripod and light reflectors to capture some last shots of it. Out comes the phone and I have some real nice pics that otherwise wouldn't exist.

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Nov 5, 2017 17:17:55   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
I don’t think anyone will dispute the notion that a cell phone camera will produce better images than a DSLR or good mirrorless camera. They were never, IMO, meant to replace a DSLR. That’s not their intended purpose. Cell phone cameras were meant to provide someone the ability to snap a moment, a brief video, a nice scene, etc. On the other hand, the cell phone camera technology has improved so much in such a short time that it’s inevitable that cell phones will eventually shove aside most of the point and shoot cameras, save for bridge cameras. Personally, I think it’s nonproductive to perpetrate the argument of cellphone camera vs. DSLR’s. Oranges and apples and all that. And in the end, you use what you have and if it works for you, that’s the best camera.

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Nov 5, 2017 18:57:04   #
banster Loc: PA, Ontario, N.C.,Key West
 
What we really need is for Canon or Nikon to put a phone in their cameras!

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Nov 5, 2017 19:13:07   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
banster wrote:
What we really need is for Canon or Nikon to put a phone in their cameras!


Or simply a good wifi, bluetooth, or near field connection to a modern smartphone. We have moved beyond the era of simple devices that do everything, but efficiently interconnected devices may become the way forwards.

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Nov 5, 2017 19:49:17   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Peterff wrote:
Or simply a good wifi, bluetooth, or near field connection to a modern smartphone. We have moved beyond the era of simple devices that do everything, but efficiently interconnected devices may become the way forwards.




Panasonic has great smartphone apps for WiFi remote control and camera-to-phone image downloads.

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Nov 5, 2017 19:52:00   #
khumiston
 
I usually have my phone and a DSLR wherever I go. If I see something I want to casually shoot and send to a friend I use the phone. If I see something I want to capture in a more artistic way I shoot it with my DSLR. They both have a place.

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Nov 5, 2017 23:30:40   #
papa Loc: Rio Dell, CA
 
a6k wrote:
..the one you have with you. Since I always have my iPhone 6s and most of the world has something comparable or even a little better, I offer this tip.

There are apps that can make that camera perform like a "real" camera. Up to a point, anyhow.

My newest favorite is ProCamera which is available on the iTunes App Store. I briefly looked at the stuff available for Android and there are lots of them as well.

My app allows me to save as raw, raw+jpg, tiff or jpg. It allows moving the exposure point and the focus point independently. It allows PASM and intuitively easy exposure compensation. It even zooms a bit. Notice the histogram with the red warnings at either end. How cool is that?! I chose a shot that reveals that, purposely. The attached phone screen shot shows the settings display on the bottom half but that is only showing when you want it to. If you press the "settings" icon on that display you get a whole additional page of choices.

It won't replace my real cameras but see above. I take many more photos with my phone than any other camera just because it's easy and the opportunities are there. Best $5 I've spent in quite a while.

There is a lot more that I have not even mentioned including a very good manual, format choices, editing tools and so on.

PS
I also use 645 Pro and find it to be excellent. I just find this newer (for me) one a little friendlier. The 645 has some special features such as emulating different formats and films. It also has an extensive manual built in. I am happy to have both on my phone.
..the one you have with you. Since I always have m... (show quote)


You better be careful that the three majors don't hire a hit man to quiet your voice, as you're putting them out of business spreading YOUR truth. LOL

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