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Nov 2, 2017 08:13:50   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
Cookie223 wrote:
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent condition Canon 100-400 4.5-5.6L IS USM lens or the same lens (new) for about $100 more than the used one.

My question is this, since I already have a 70-200 II Canon, besides the increase in zoom, is this a lens worth getting? I actually use my current gear to take pictures of my grandkids playing sports.

I know there is a II version, and Tamron has a 150-600mm that sounds good.

As always your opinion is greatly appreciated.
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent c... (show quote)


I use Nikon 200-500 but my friend used his Canon with the Canon 100-400 on a trip to Kruger Park S. Africa we took together last June. Here are three images he captured with that lens.







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Nov 2, 2017 08:19:56   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Cookie223 wrote:
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent condition Canon 100-400 4.5-5.6L IS USM lens or the same lens (new) for about $100 more than the used one.

My question is this, since I already have a 70-200 II Canon, besides the increase in zoom, is this a lens worth getting? I actually use my current gear to take pictures of my grandkids playing sports.

I know there is a II version, and Tamron has a 150-600mm that sounds good.

As always your opinion is greatly appreciated.
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent c... (show quote)


Which 70-200 do you have? f4, f2.8, a I, II, IS non-IS?

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Nov 2, 2017 08:24:42   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Yes, if you have the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II you can use the gen III Canon TCs with it. I have used the 2.0x TC III with mine and I can get out to 400mm that way. The 2.0 TC III is tons cheaper than the 100-400 II but people will argue the sharpness probably and the convenience factor...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Nov 2, 2017 08:39:10   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Yes, if you have the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II you can use the gen III Canon TCs with it. I have used the 2.0x TC III with mine and I can get out to 400mm that way. The 2.0 TC III is tons cheaper than the 100-400 II but people will argue the sharpness probably and the convenience factor...

Best,
Todd Ferguson



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Nov 2, 2017 08:52:34   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Cookie223 wrote:
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent condition Canon 100-400 4.5-5.6L IS USM lens or the same lens (new) for about $100 more than the used one.

My question is this, since I already have a 70-200 II Canon, besides the increase in zoom, is this a lens worth getting? I actually use my current gear to take pictures of my grandkids playing sports.

I know there is a II version, and Tamron has a 150-600mm that sounds good.

As always your opinion is greatly appreciated.
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent c... (show quote)


If your current lens is getting you close enough then you don't need the extra reach. But if you want to shoot birds in flight then the 100-400 II is the lens you want. I would strongly suggest the II version over the other. I have many friends I shoot with using that lens on their Canons and they really like it over the first version. I am a Nikon shooter and use the 200-500, but if Nikon made one like Canon's I would buy it in a heart beat.

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Nov 2, 2017 08:53:41   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
On the 1Dx MK II Canon does note that they recommend using only the center focus point if using the 70-200 with an extender. Says in the manual that if other focus points are used it is possible to get auto focus errors. I would probably also check the manual list of lens combinations and usable focus points with this lens as I think that list was larger...

I would love to figure out a reasonably scientific way to compare my combination of TC and 70-200 to the 100-400 at similar focal lengths and camera settings to compare sharpness between it and the 100-400 II. Maybe shooting a stop sign at 100 feet at iso 100, f/8 and 1/1000 on a tripod or something like that... I am certainly not an expert at comparing lens techniques. If anyone is interested in this PM me and we can try to put a test together.

dsmeltz wrote:

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Nov 2, 2017 09:06:59   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
Where is Harrisburg, NC? I'm in Greensboro I have a 100-400 II



Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
On the 1Dx MK II Canon does note that they recommend using only the center focus point if using the 70-200 with an extender. Says in the manual that if other focus points are used it is possible to get auto focus errors. I would probably also check the manual list of lens combinations and usable focus points with this lens as I think that list was larger...

I would love to figure out a reasonably scientific way to compare my combination of TC and 70-200 to the 100-400 at similar focal lengths and camera settings to compare sharpness between it and the 100-400 II. Maybe shooting a stop sign at 100 feet at iso 100, f/8 and 1/1000 on a tripod or something like that... I am certainly not an expert at comparing lens techniques. If anyone is interested in this PM me and we can try to put a test together.
On the 1Dx MK II Canon does note that they recomme... (show quote)

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Nov 2, 2017 09:08:34   #
Nikonman44
 
Cookie223 wrote:
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent condition Canon 100-400 4.5-5.6L IS USM lens or the same lens (new) for about $100 more than the used one.

My question is this, since I already have a 70-200 II Canon, besides the increase in zoom, is this a lens worth getting? I actually use my current gear to take pictures of my grandkids playing sports.

I know there is a II version, and Tamron has a 150-600mm that sounds good.

As always your opinion is greatly appreciated.
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent c... (show quote)


Tamron 150 to 600 it will be all you ever need. You have the 70 to 200 so you wont have too much overlap in the two pieces.

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Nov 2, 2017 09:11:23   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
It would seem that she's already sold on the Canon.


Nikonman44 wrote:
Tamron 150 to 600 it will be all you ever need. You have the 70 to 200 so you wont have too much overlap in the two pieces.

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Nov 2, 2017 09:20:55   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Cookie223 wrote:
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent condition Canon 100-400 4.5-5.6L IS USM lens or the same lens (new) for about $100 more than the used one.

My question is this, since I already have a 70-200 II Canon, besides the increase in zoom, is this a lens worth getting? I actually use my current gear to take pictures of my grandkids playing sports.

I know there is a II version, and Tamron has a 150-600mm that sounds good.

As always your opinion is greatly appreciated.
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent c... (show quote)


What camera body are you using? If it is a crop sensor then the difference in IQ between the 100-400 Mk I and Mk II will be much less noticeable then with a full frame. I have both the EF 70-200 f/2.8 L II and the EF 100-400 L II, as well as the EF 1.4x III. Since getting the 100-400 I rarely use the 70-200, except for low light situations. The 100-400 with the 1.4x III is an outstanding combination. I use it on both my 7DII and 5DIV with superb results. The 100-400 L II is probably the best lens you can get in that focal range. As I stated, on a crop sensor the difference between the 100-400 L I and the L II is much less noticeable because you will only be using the center of the lens elements. Much of the IQ difference is in the outer edges of the elements and show up much more with a full frame. Here, the Mk II has a noticeable advantage.

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Nov 2, 2017 09:31:40   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Cookie223 wrote:
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent condition Canon 100-400 4.5-5.6L IS USM lens or the same lens (new) for about $100 more than the used one.

My question is this, since I already have a 70-200 II Canon, besides the increase in zoom, is this a lens worth getting? I actually use my current gear to take pictures of my grandkids playing sports.

I know there is a II version, and Tamron has a 150-600mm that sounds good.

As always your opinion is greatly appreciated.
I have an opportunity to get a used in excellent c... (show quote)


My opinion is if you already have the 70-200 and need reach, get the 1.4 or 2X to go with it - unless birds in flight is a high priority for you - in which case get a NEW 100-400 mk1 for the SPEED of focus the speed of the push/pull zoom - although grandkids playing sports MAY have the same framing and focus requirements as BIF ! .

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Nov 2, 2017 09:38:42   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Harrisburg, NC is on NC 49 just northeast of Charlotte. Maybe we could figure out a test plan if you are interested...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

foathog wrote:
Where is Harrisburg, NC? I'm in Greensboro I have a 100-400 II

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Nov 2, 2017 09:46:41   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
LFingar wrote:
What camera body are you using? If it is a crop sensor then the difference in IQ between the 100-400 Mk I and Mk II will be much less noticeable then with a full frame. I have both the EF 70-200 f/2.8 L II and the EF 100-400 L II, as well as the EF 1.4x III. Since getting the 100-400 I rarely use the 70-200, except for low light situations. The 100-400 with the 1.4x III is an outstanding combination. I use it on both my 7DII and 5DIV with superb results. The 100-400 L II is probably the best lens you can get in that focal range. As I stated, on a crop sensor the difference between the 100-400 L I and the L II is much less noticeable because you will only be using the center of the lens elements. Much of the IQ difference is in the outer edges of the elements and show up much more with a full frame. Here, the Mk II has a noticeable advantage.
What camera body are you using? If it is a crop se... (show quote)


Good question. Some of the newer camera bodies maintain auto focus to f8 effective maximum aperture older ones are a stop slower.

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Nov 2, 2017 09:47:16   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
that's possible. what camera do you have?? I have 7DII

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Nov 2, 2017 09:54:47   #
bweber Loc: Newton, MA
 
I sold my 70 - 200 2.8 and purchased the 100 - 400ii and I have not regretted it. I have full frame cameras. The new lens is very sharp and I appreciate the added reach and the improved IS. The new lens is weighs a little more than the old lens, but it fits in the same slot in my pack as it folds down to the same length. I own a 135 2.0 and 200 2.8 for that I use for portraits with lower depth of field.

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