dhowland wrote:
This seems a shame. I don't love the argument. If you don't think baking a pie is easy, then don't -- just buy one at the store. But wait. If you're interested in baking and love good pie, it may be worth the effort to try and even get good at it. There are really good pies at the store, some better than others, so nothing terrible is lost if you stick to the easy path. But keep in mind that what at first seems daunting may be quite doable, if you try (and practice), and it may even be a process that, along with producing superior results, you may actually find to be enjoyable in itself. And eventually it may become as easy as pie.
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But in fact manual is the easiest but if you don't think it's easy then don't do it.
I shot manual with my FM2 and Kodachrome. It was easier then with just the aperture ring on the lens, the rotary dial on the top and a focus ring. Now, playing with the wheels and so forth seems like more effort to me, even with a Df so I use program a lot unless I want a specific result.
DaveyDitzer wrote:
I shot manual with my FM2 and Kodachrome. It was easier then with just the aperture ring on the lens, the rotary dial on the top and a focus ring. Now, playing with the wheels and so forth seems like more effort to me, even with a Df so I use program a lot unless I want a specific result.
PS: I'd rather use aperture so that the shutter speed dial is in the right place on my Df.
Kmgw9v wrote:
The post you quoted was satire--a response to a post about "ego trip"s.
The original question asked by the OP was in regard to how many shoot in auto even though many shoot manual.
To be crystal clear, I shoot manual, shutter, or aperture priority--all in RAW.
I seek control of the image.
No ego, no judgement of how others wish to make images.
My apologies. I've just seen too many posts like that which weren't satire and have had enough of the jpeg vs raw argument.
Would you like to bet lunch on that???
You can send the money to my PayPal account...
TheDman wrote:
In the Av or Tv modes you can only dial exposure compensation up or down a maximum of 3 stops.
Yes, even though my camera can go 5 stops over or under I am not sure there is a great deal of use for that much compensation.
Best,
Todd Ferguson
dyximan wrote:
As you can imagine different cameras have different settings the Fuji XT2 is plus or 3 I'm sure some canons are five and I've seen some even higher than that but I find if I go much more than three in either direction it's either going to be way too dark or way too light
rehess wrote:
You had talked about getting “different results depending”. If you’re not acting randomly, then you would get essentially the same results using one of the automatic modes. There is nothing magical or mystic about manual mode.
Nothing magical or mystic about manual mode -- is why I like it. I control the settings. Auto means the camera averages without regard to results -- that's what's random. And often ineffective.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
dhowland wrote:
Nothing magical or mystic about manual mode -- is why I like it. I control the settings. Auto means the camera averages without regard to results -- that's what's random. And often ineffective.
No. The camera sets aperture or shutter speed I tell it to. The camera meters based on how I tell it to and picks rest of "exposure triangle" to exactly match conditions - giving me exactly the results I expect, even if conditions changed three times during the process. I developed my technique while using Kodachrome, which was much less "forgiving" that color negative was.
Screamin Scott wrote:
I guess you could then blame automation of the photographic field as the culprit ?
No. Complete ignorance of proper exposure metering and setting white balance was the culprit, along with general unwillingness to attend training sponsored by the lab...
In the portrait and social segment (which was a HUGE volume business with over 30,000 school portrait photographers and thousands of studios in big box stores at one point), photographers using film typically did not use light meters. Their huge corporations or labs provided them with long roll film cameras and lighting equipment, pre-strung for each instrument's distance from the subject, and pre-set with proper exposure for a certain product. Most of them had no idea what exposure entailed!
Film had enough latitude that you could be quite sloppy in your daily setup before the lab would have any issues with film exposures.
There was no automation in that industry before digital, nor is there today, in most cases. Consistency is a virtual requirement of the trade, so everything is locked down... HOWEVER, the diagrams and setups used for film never worked for digital JPEG capture. The lighting was too specular, too contrasty, and exposure was much more sensitive to small changes. 1/3 of one f/stop overexposure is a very noticeable change in a JPEG exposure. It is hardly a blip on film, once you run the negative through a color analyzer.
The photographer of that job I referred to above never called us to tell us he was going to submit digital images, and never asked us for advice, testing, or anything... before he screwed up the job. He just set everything on auto and let it explode.
We had two huge accounts doing the same sort of work digitally at the time... All their work was in manual mode... They measured distances, pre-metered flash, marked photographer and subject lines on the floors, etc. They got beautiful results.
rehess wrote:
No. The camera sets aperture or shutter speed I tell it to. The camera meters based on how I tell it to and picks rest of "exposure triangle" to exactly match conditions - giving me exactly the results I expect, even if conditions changed three times during the process. I developed my technique while using Kodachrome, which was much less "forgiving" that color negative was.
What you're describing is not "auto"
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
dhowland wrote:
What you're describing is not "auto"
I set metering pattern
I set focusing pattern
I set mode to one of the “auto” modes, telling camera which value gets “priority”
Where is the “not auto” part???
You're setting an awful lot of stuff yourself for it to be auto
rehess wrote:
I set metering pattern
I set focusing pattern
I set mode to one of the “auto” modes, telling camera which value gets “priority”
Where is the “not auto” part???
You're setting an awful lot of stuff yourself for it to be auto
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
dhowland wrote:
You're setting an awful lot of stuff yourself for it to be auto
Apparently you don’t understand “auto”.
It does not mean “robot”, but even a “robot” would receive instructions/preferences.
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Would you like to bet lunch on that???
You can send the money to my PayPal account...
Maybe Nikons are different, but with Canon it's 3 stops. I frequently need more than that, so I have to switch to manual.
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