These Are F A C T S - NOT Fiction (Page 4): Those on the left are just as bad. Maybe more so.

Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach

Roger Hicks wrote:

In other words, the numbers in the original post are unverifiable. But, of course, that doesn't stop the usual UHH personal attacks and insults from those on the right who know what they want to believe, and won't let verifiable facts from credible sources stand in the way of what they call (with capital letters) F A C T S.

Cheers,

R.

Those on the left are just as bad. Maybe more so.

ted45 Loc: Delaware

DEBJENROB wrote:

ted45 wrote:

I am surprised that you liberals, sorry socialists, out there are having such a hard time trying to verify the "facts" in the original post. This list is mentioned on SNOPES as a start. It is mentioned on a Snopes forum similar to this one but SNOPES does not confirm or deny the facts. There are several hundred other blogs and "news" sites that mention it. All of them either just post the list for their viewers or post it and refute it. ALL of them have the usual collection of Democrats, liberals, and Socialists hurling profanity and childish insults at the posters. That is the telling part.

Let's just use common sense. The statistics mentioned cannot possibly be accurate. Why? Simply because every country in the World, including the ones listed, compile their health statistics differently. There isn't even a standard method of defining cancer for example, much less how many people survive. I would suggest that this particular statistic is only important to the folks that have cancer. Investors Business Daily is an old newspaper that has focus on the business of investing. Their only interest in health statistics would be on which HMO to buy stocks from.

The best and most interesting source to refute the first part of the list, that I could find would be: http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/us-nationalized-healthcare/ What I gather from reading that site is that we spend a great deal more money on health care that everyone else without the coninsiding benefit.

As far as the second part of the list having to do with business experience: It would take an enormous amout of time to search out the facts on the previous administrations and I'm not certain anyone would have been compiling those facts in the first place. However, the gentleman at http://radicalpuppy.blogdrive.com/archive/112.html does an admirable job of checking on the current cabinet.

The only FACT that we all know and have come to love is that the only person at the management level in Washington D.C. without any business experience what-so-ever is Obama. He has never held a job that was designed to produce a real product or profit. I would be happy to entertain any proof to the contrary that you liberal/socialists can produce.

I am surprised that you liberals, sorry socialists... (show quote)

I will address your comment about Investors Business Daily .... they have an editorial colunm .... their business reporting and analysis the the best .... they routinely confuse objective financial reporting with their conservative adgenda anti Democrat, any Democrat position ...asI commented in a prior post .... don't read their editorials .... they are not financial in nature and extremely biased ..

quote=ted45 I am surprised that you liberals, sor... (show quote)

I agree. That is why I no longer get their paper.

thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA

donrent wrote:

This IS quite interesting. br br Very hard to ... (show quote)

thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA

ted45 wrote:

DEBJENROB wrote:

ted45 wrote:

I am surprised that you liberals, sorry socialists, out there are having such a hard time trying to verify the "facts" in the original post. This list is mentioned on SNOPES as a start. It is mentioned on a Snopes forum similar to this one but SNOPES does not confirm or deny the facts. There are several hundred other blogs and "news" sites that mention it. All of them either just post the list for their viewers or post it and refute it. ALL of them have the usual collection of Democrats, liberals, and Socialists hurling profanity and childish insults at the posters. That is the telling part.

Let's just use common sense. The statistics mentioned cannot possibly be accurate. Why? Simply because every country in the World, including the ones listed, compile their health statistics differently. There isn't even a standard method of defining cancer for example, much less how many people survive. I would suggest that this particular statistic is only important to the folks that have cancer. Investors Business Daily is an old newspaper that has focus on the business of investing. Their only interest in health statistics would be on which HMO to buy stocks from.

The best and most interesting source to refute the first part of the list, that I could find would be: http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/us-nationalized-healthcare/ What I gather from reading that site is that we spend a great deal more money on health care that everyone else without the coninsiding benefit.

As far as the second part of the list having to do with business experience: It would take an enormous amout of time to search out the facts on the previous administrations and I'm not certain anyone would have been compiling those facts in the first place. However, the gentleman at http://radicalpuppy.blogdrive.com/archive/112.html does an admirable job of checking on the current cabinet.

The only FACT that we all know and have come to love is that the only person at the management level in Washington D.C. without any business experience what-so-ever is Obama. He has never held a job that was designed to produce a real product or profit. I would be happy to entertain any proof to the contrary that you liberal/socialists can produce.

I am surprised that you liberals, sorry socialists... (show quote)

I will address your comment about Investors Business Daily .... they have an editorial colunm .... their business reporting and analysis the the best .... they routinely confuse objective financial reporting with their conservative adgenda anti Democrat, any Democrat position ...asI commented in a prior post .... don't read their editorials .... they are not financial in nature and extremely biased ..

quote=ted45 I am surprised that you liberals, sor... (show quote)

I agree. That is why I no longer get their paper.

quote=DEBJENROB quote=ted45 I am surprised that ... (show quote)

the link

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA

This would seem to be a good source of info:

http://www.yalemedlaw.com/2008/11/the-presidential-candidates-on-domestic-healthcare/

ted45 Loc: Delaware

thegrover wrote:

ted45 wrote:

DEBJENROB wrote:

ted45 wrote:

I am surprised that you liberals, sorry socialists, out there are having such a hard time trying to verify the "facts" in the original post. This list is mentioned on SNOPES as a start. It is mentioned on a Snopes forum similar to this one but SNOPES does not confirm or deny the facts. There are several hundred other blogs and "news" sites that mention it. All of them either just post the list for their viewers or post it and refute it. ALL of them have the usual collection of Democrats, liberals, and Socialists hurling profanity and childish insults at the posters. That is the telling part.

Let's just use common sense. The statistics mentioned cannot possibly be accurate. Why? Simply because every country in the World, including the ones listed, compile their health statistics differently. There isn't even a standard method of defining cancer for example, much less how many people survive. I would suggest that this particular statistic is only important to the folks that have cancer. Investors Business Daily is an old newspaper that has focus on the business of investing. Their only interest in health statistics would be on which HMO to buy stocks from.

The best and most interesting source to refute the first part of the list, that I could find would be: http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/us-nationalized-healthcare/ What I gather from reading that site is that we spend a great deal more money on health care that everyone else without the coninsiding benefit.

As far as the second part of the list having to do with business experience: It would take an enormous amout of time to search out the facts on the previous administrations and I'm not certain anyone would have been compiling those facts in the first place. However, the gentleman at http://radicalpuppy.blogdrive.com/archive/112.html does an admirable job of checking on the current cabinet.

The only FACT that we all know and have come to love is that the only person at the management level in Washington D.C. without any business experience what-so-ever is Obama. He has never held a job that was designed to produce a real product or profit. I would be happy to entertain any proof to the contrary that you liberal/socialists can produce.

I am surprised that you liberals, sorry socialists... (show quote)

I will address your comment about Investors Business Daily .... they have an editorial colunm .... their business reporting and analysis the the best .... they routinely confuse objective financial reporting with their conservative adgenda anti Democrat, any Democrat position ...asI commented in a prior post .... don't read their editorials .... they are not financial in nature and extremely biased ..

quote=ted45 I am surprised that you liberals, sor... (show quote)

I agree. That is why I no longer get their paper.

quote=DEBJENROB quote=ted45 I am surprised that ... (show quote)

the link

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

quote=ted45 quote=DEBJENROB quote=ted45 I am su... (show quote)

What makes this interesting is the fact that Fance is at the top of the list. Last week there was a thread where the libs/socialists were condeming nuclear power as the work of the devil himself. France gets 75% of its electricity from nuclear power and yet they have the best health stats. Go figure!

thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA

Some one said: "The only FACT that we all know and have come to love is that the only person at the management level in Washington D.C. without any business experience what-so-ever is Obama. He has never held a job that was designed to produce a real product or profit. I would be happy to entertain any proof to the contrary that you liberal/socialists can produce."

Having recently retired from about 35 years in cooperate America I would not be impressed by anyone claiming that their business leadership would qualify them to run a government. Most of the companies I worked for no longer exist. Most were poorly managed and run into the ground. The leaders sent jobs overseas and laid people off usually at Christmas time. I have a BSME and a MBA. I could go on, but I think you get the idea.

DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL

It is interesting as to how two people observing the same event see the event differently .... from my perspective ... it is those on the right that begin the insults .... using words like stupid, fool, dumb .... those on the left return the insults .... usually with sarcasim ..... aah .... the wonders of internet ..........

thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA

DEBJENROB wrote:

It is interesting as to how two people observing the same event see the event differently .... from my perspective ... it is those on the right that begin the insults .... using words like stupid, fool, dumb .... those on the left return the insults .... usually with sarcasim ..... aah .... the wonders of internet ..........

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Sidney Carton

Well, of course, we all saw how successful GW Bush was.

guy145 Loc: Norridge IL

DEBJENROB wrote:

Here are three other facts .... we have the lowest... (show quote)

You hit it on the head. How true.

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

Talk is cheap...These figures mean nothing because they are only a portion of the big picture. It's easy to cherry pick figures to support your opinion.

guy145 wrote:

quote=DEBJENROB Here are three other facts .... w... (show quote)

alann Loc: Virginia

You can prove ANYTHING with statistics. Let's just get the socialist out of office before it's to late.

thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA

guy145 wrote:

quote=DEBJENROB Here are three other facts .... w... (show quote)

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thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA

DEBJENROB wrote:

It is interesting as to how two people observing the same event see the event differently .... from my perspective ... it is those on the right that begin the insults .... using words like stupid, fool, dumb .... those on the left return the insults .... usually with sarcasim ..... aah .... the wonders of internet ..........

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