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Oct 20, 2017 13:09:54   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
If the camera you have does everything you need, keep it. Otherwise you are just either having a GAS attack or you are trying to create an environment for gear envy.

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Oct 20, 2017 13:16:57   #
BlueMorel Loc: Southwest Michigan
 
I'm grouchy today so I'm registering an all-purpose objection. AARGH!

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Oct 20, 2017 13:29:03   #
Shel Loc: Lecanto FL
 
twiceeagles wrote:
There is a place for the anti-gun political garbage on UHH. If you hit the all section and go to the Chit-Chat area, there is a place for non camera discussion. There is at least one of us who doesn't like to hear a bunch of liberal crapola.


And this is not the place for your pro-gun garbage.

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Oct 20, 2017 13:46:55   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
ltcarizona wrote:
I post this question for discussion for those beginners in photography regarding upgrading cameras. This is based on other questions I have seen posted on this site. I understand everyone has the opinions and there are those who have to have the best. But I always look at this question based on your level of photography expertise. I have gone thru the process and I am glad I had a professional to work with. I had the opportunity in my time to learn from photography instructors, professional photographers, and Playboy. It really does make a difference!

For example a person has a Nikon D7200 and is thinking about upgrading to the Nikon D850. Money is not a problem. So what do we tell him that is realistic and best for him?

Since this person has said money is no problem why not just tell him to buy it since he can grow into it even if he does not have the experience, skills, or needs the abilities the new camera offers him for what he wants to do with it. Heck why not just tell him to buy a Leica or the medium format cameras. But?

The one thing every photographer knows is that an amateur or beginner has to start somewhere. While camera are so smart they basically become a high price fix lens rangefinder camera with the professional look. Therefore until the amateur or beginner has the following I do not recommend going into the high priced cameras: 1. Developed level of photography basics through some on hands training with another experienced photographer. 2. The photography he is going to be undertaking or specialize in needs an advanced pro level camera. 3. And he is willing to spend the money on the level of glass or lenses that support that camera to its fullest.

After all why spend money on a 44 Magnum when the 9mm can shoot more rounds more accurately and be just a deadly. Maybe because you want to be the big boy on the block. But in real life shooting cases the 9 mm for rounds on target accuracy would win out. Don't forget the other guy will be shooting at you.

So much the same with photography in a way. Right now I own a Nikon D810 after owning since 1973 a variety of Nikon and Canon film, FX and DX cameras; from the very expensive to least. I know that the camera doesn't truly make the photographer but his skills as such. A entry level DSLR can win photography contests just like the professional cameras, and that is a fact.

So I ask myself should I upgrade to the D850? My answer is NO. Why you ask? Because I am a landscape photographer mostly, do not take astrophotography, but still could with the D810, do not really need the extra MP, don't need the little faster motor drive, etc. So for me I will wait for something else to come along. Here I am looking a my needs as a photographer ever though I could buy the most expensive camera in the world; though it would not make me a better photographer. I could go on with other points that I think others to this forum could make.

SO, What does everyone else think?
I post this question for discussion for those begi... (show quote)


Well thought out statement.
If the person has the money and desires the piece of equipment then encourage them to get it. They might take better photos or not.
But having what they really want they will be more likely to use it and get better or take classes etc. Why settle for less if it is what you want and money is no object. It need not be the most expensive piece but it is what you want that is important.

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Oct 20, 2017 13:53:07   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
I think an upgrade should be based on need. Here's my story. I had a Nikon d7000 that I loved! I had wonderful lenses! I like to think I took some awesome photos with my kit. BUT I'm nearly 70 and I was using my kit less and less because of the weight. So I switched to micro 4/3s, an Olympus Mark5 ll. The joy is back and the internal stability is a major plus AND I still love my images. Feels like an upgrade to me.

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Oct 20, 2017 14:31:22   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
I say to each his own and find something more constructive to talk about...

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Oct 20, 2017 14:32:20   #
tommy2slow Loc: Drippings Springs, TX
 
I have an UZI that shoots full auto.. someday I’m going to mount a camera on it..

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Oct 20, 2017 14:37:54   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Peterff wrote:
Do we really need gun analogies for this discussion? Can you even get bump stocks for cameras? Most people that have their photo taken don't die, unless you're Princess Diana of course. Or possibly Kim Kardashian who merely thinks that she has.


Do we really need anti-gun statements. No we don't.

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Oct 20, 2017 14:40:27   #
Dabe Loc: Southern Missouri, Ozarks
 
Shel wrote:
And this is not the place for your pro-gun garbage.


Then why do you insist on dragging it out? There was no "pro-gun" nor "anti-gun" discussion here until Peterff started it, then Repleo jumped on the bandwagon with a quite stupid analogy of his own, attacking "birders", and now you.
What if someone used an analogy comparing beer to wine? I don't normally drink alcohol personally, but I also believe there's absolutely nothing wrong with it in the hands of a responsible adult. Put it in the hands of an idiot, however, and it can, and often does, become deadly. Am I going to go off on a tirade because someone uses an analogy involving alcohol? NO, because I have sense enough to know the difference between idiots and the things some idiots use to cause harm.
I could talk all day about the "rights" you people all hold dear that you would not have without guns, but, as already pointed out, this is not the place.

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Oct 20, 2017 14:41:04   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
ltcarizona wrote:
.../... After all why spend money on a 44 Magnum when the 9mm can shoot more rounds more accurately and be just a deadly. Maybe because you want to be the big boy on the block. But in real life shooting cases the 9 mm for rounds on target accuracy would win out. Don't forget the other guy will be shooting at you. .../...

So I ask myself should I upgrade to the D850? My answer is NO. Why you ask? Because I am a landscape photographer mostly .../...

SO, What does everyone else think?
.../... After all why spend money on a 44 Magnum w... (show quote)

Let me tell you what I think...

This is a nut case thread.

Why are guns mentioned??? Sick analogy to 'shooting'???

You say 'no' because you are a landscape photographer???? What the heck? This is when you need the most details. Are you even sure you know what you are typing about?

Then... Playboy? Really? What does this magazine has to with this topic? Trying to impress 'us' with something?

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Oct 20, 2017 14:47:08   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Dabe wrote:
Then why do you insist on dragging it out? There was no "pro-gun" nor "anti-gun" discussion here until Peterff started it, then Repleo jumped on the bandwagon with a quite stupid analogy of his own, attacking "birders", and now you.
What if someone used an analogy comparing beer to wine? I don't normally drink alcohol personally, but I also believe there's absolutely nothing wrong with it in the hands of a responsible adult. Put it in the hands of an idiot, however, and it can, and often does, become deadly. Am I going to go off on a tirade because someone uses an analogy involving alcohol? NO, because I have sense enough to know the difference between idiots and the things some idiots use to cause harm.
I could talk all day about the "rights" you people all hold dear that you would not have without guns, but, as already pointed out, this is not the place.
Then why do you insist on dragging it out? There ... (show quote)

Taking a shot at it too?

Yes, you are going on a tirade over the same thing not as long as some other but a tirade* none the less, despite your claim of not going onto one. By the way tirade is also associated with 'shooting'...

Shoot, why not leave it as is...

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* diatribe, harangue, rant, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation, broadside, fulmination, condemnation, censure, invective, criticism, tongue-lashing...

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Oct 20, 2017 14:53:06   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
jerryc41 wrote:
"Money is not a problem." That mean a lot. Better equipment offers advantages over lesser gear. If someone is leaning toward a purchase and can afford it, I see no reason to talk him out of it.


I agree.

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Oct 20, 2017 14:54:19   #
PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Peterff wrote:
Do we really need gun analogies for this discussion? Can you even get bump stocks for cameras? Most people that have their photo taken don't die, unless you're Princess Diana of course. Or possibly Kim Kardashian who merely thinks that she has.


gun bump stock = camera intervalometer

All people who have their photo taken die - just not necessarily immediately after the shot

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Oct 20, 2017 15:04:56   #
Dabe Loc: Southern Missouri, Ozarks
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Taking a shot at it too?

Yes, you are going on a tirade over the same thing not as long as some other but a tirade* none the less, despite your claim of not going onto one. By the way tirade is also associated with 'shooting'...

Shoot, why not leave it as is...

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* diatribe, harangue, rant, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation, broadside, fulmination, condemnation, censure, invective, criticism, tongue-lashing...


I can accept your point, and I'll agree let my defense rest.

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Oct 20, 2017 15:10:42   #
OldBobD Loc: Ohio
 
Over my long lifetime I've upgraded my photo equipment numerous times - when my current equipment no longer met my needs. This does not address the need to have the latest & greatest for bragging rights.

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