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Oct 14, 2017 16:35:49   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
Why is that.
GalaxyCat wrote:
Chris O'Donnell has no idea what he is talking about. Let him walk in my shoes for a while!



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Oct 14, 2017 16:36:26   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Adequately stated; but there is nothing new under the sun.



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Oct 14, 2017 16:47:38   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
GalaxyCat wrote:
You should care less about your camera? Try using out-dated technology. Try needing 6.3 MP files, but your 2002 SONY camera has only 5 MP. And besides that, your SONY 's battery charger is putting out 2.0 Volts, not the 4.2 Volts needed to charge the battery. So you need a new charger, and your old SONY is dead until then. Then, like me, you try to use a dinosaur Canon EOS 620, film, and you are aware that you have wasted a LOT of film, making obvious mistakes, and all of the sudden you have 5 rolls of film needing to be developed, and it really isn't worthwhile to spend the money.
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You may be able to just develop or develop and scan. It's the printing that is the main cost. Printing bad photo's is definitely not worth while although that camera will have done its best not to mess up the exposure. Why not look out for an older canon body eos-D it will work with your lenses and should be available quite cheaply.

If you shot black & white film the development costs are not that expensive.

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Oct 14, 2017 17:36:44   #
GalaxyCat Loc: Boston, MA
 
Thank you. I have shot 3 rolls of color and 2 rolls of B&W. Good idea to look for EOS-D. Thanks again

blackest wrote:
You may be able to just develop or develop and scan. It's the printing that is the main cost. Printing bad photo's is definitely not worth while although that camera will have done its best not to mess up the exposure. Why not look out for an older canon body eos-D it will work with your lenses and should be available quite cheaply.

If you shot black & white film the development costs are not that expensive.

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Oct 14, 2017 17:44:26   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
Cathy since you have a Canon lens you may want to check this one out as well as many more on keh they are a great company to buy used equipment from https://www.keh.com/shop/canon-kiss-x-black-japanese-version-rebel-xti-digital-camera-body-10-1-m-p-674485.html
10mp is a good start. Here is a Sony you may think about as you have one and may have lenses for them https://www.keh.com/shop/sony-a300-black-digital-camera-body-10-2-m-p.html I do not know much about these two particular cameras but under a hundred dollars for a 10mp camera is good, keh also has quite a few lenses that are not a bad price you can probably get a camera and lens for under a couple hundred bucks.
Hope you can get things to work for you.
GalaxyCat wrote:
You should care less about your camera? Try using out-dated technology. Try needing 6.3 MP files, but your 2002 SONY camera has only 5 MP. And besides that, your SONY 's battery charger is putting out 2.0 Volts, not the 4.2 Volts needed to charge the battery. So you need a new charger, and your old SONY is dead until then. Then, like me, you try to use a dinosaur Canon EOS 620, film, and you are aware that you have wasted a LOT of film, making obvious mistakes, and all of the sudden you have 5 rolls of film needing to be developed, and it really isn't worthwhile to spend the money.
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Oct 14, 2017 18:57:39   #
papa Loc: Rio Dell, CA
 
This quote from his article rather sums it up for me. "For example....if you take an award-winning photo with $8,000 worth of gear…many will just give the expensive gear all of the credit and dismiss the talent that you, the photographer, invested." Obvious he's a selling something, but is his statement founded in experience or a creation of a skewed opinion?

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Oct 14, 2017 19:54:44   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
He has a site called creative raw lots of free information and basic membership is free(that is the one I have)He hasn't pushed to sell me anything though like almost all the sites on photography they are promoting the 5 day deal I have no interest in this deal but it is not bad. That's the only one hes ever promoted to me but I get regular email articles all the time and he gives some good advice. I believe this one is fairly sound advice,
but the title should have been different as equipment factors in the equation also.
papa wrote:
This quote from his article rather sums it up for me. "For example....if you take an award-winning photo with $8,000 worth of gear…many will just give the expensive gear all of the credit and dismiss the talent that you, the photographer, invested." Obvious he's a selling something, but is his statement founded in experience or a creation of a skewed opinion?

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Oct 14, 2017 20:23:46   #
jmvaugh Loc: Albuquerque
 
I play the piano. A hand-made concert grand won’t allow me to play Chopin, Bach, or Beethoven pieces if I haven’t put in the hours and hours of practice required to memorize and play those pieces. Also, I really hate practicing on a poorly regulated out of tune junky old upright. I purchased a piano years ago that is a pleasure to play and I will not outgrow and need to upgrade. I can certainly learn photography with my old Rebel XT. Heck, photographers have taken award winning photographs with toy cameras! I won’t learn photography and dramatically improve by buying a Hasselblad that costs 100,000+, but I want a camera that I can really enjoy learning with and taking thousands and thousands of photographs with. Buying a Porsche doesn’t make me a better driver (darn it) but I’m sure glad I’m not still stuck driving my old crappy ‘78 Chevy strippo truck with no AC on its last legs.

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Oct 14, 2017 20:53:30   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
To me my Nikon D800 is a 5 year old Ford Escape does the job and gets you where you want to go,
the new D850 is a Shelby Cobra lots of goodies and everyone is jealous, the D300 is a 15 year old f160 with low mile ( I have a 1998 f150 with 92000 miles) still gets you there does not have the new car smell but it keeps chugging along as long as it is treated well (tuned with your analogy), will I miss having all the new bells and whistles, no because I do not have the new one, same for the cameras my D800, D7100 do what I need them to do as well as my oked Pentax K=7 just less mp's I think as long as we treat them well they do a great job.
Now do I wish I had the D850 you bet and if I have to get another camera 3-5 years down the road that will be the one I pick up. That said I wouldn't buy a 6 mp camera as I know it would not fit my needs today. I have only bought 1 camera new and that was the D7100 great camera but I really did not need it, I am lucky enough to be receiving a pretty good military retirement so I can afford it, even then I learned a lesson to wait it out a bit then get it used/refurbished. Hey that's fun doing the analogies thanks for doing it first.
jmvaugh wrote:
I play the piano. A hand-made concert grand won’t allow me to play Chopin, Bach, or Beethoven pieces if I haven’t put in the hours and hours of practice required to memorize and play those pieces. Also, I really hate practicing on a poorly regulated out of tune junky old upright. I purchased a piano years ago that is a pleasure to play and I will not outgrow and need to upgrade. I can certainly learn photography with my old Rebel XT. Heck, photographers have taken award winning photographs with toy cameras! I won’t learn photography and dramatically improve by buying a Hasselblad that costs 100,000+, but I want a camera that I can really enjoy learning with and taking thousands and thousands of photographs with. Buying a Porsche doesn’t make me a better driver (darn it) but I’m sure glad I’m not still stuck driving my old crappy ‘78 Chevy strippo truck with no AC on its last legs.
I play the piano. A hand-made concert grand won’t ... (show quote)



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Oct 15, 2017 01:49:00   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
terry44 wrote:
The following is off an email from Chris O'Donnell at Creative Raw titled Why you should care less about your camera, not so sure the title is accurate as I believe the equipment we use is a very important part of our process but it kind of puts our craft into perspective I think. What are your thoughts.

When it comes to choosing your photography gear for landscapes, many photographers are presented with a huge question:

Does it REALLY matter what kind of equipment I use?

...or can a true photographer create beautiful landscapes without pro-quality cameras and thousand dollar lenses?

Here's the problem: Some photographers believe that you need high-end gear to create outstanding landscape images.

And others think the opposite: that gear doesn’t matter, and only raw talent will give you those highly coveted photos…and with that, more attention directed to your work.

…and the rest know that there’s a delicate balance between the two.

This balance is what I want to focus on...because this is the right mindset to have.

For example....if you take an award-winning photo with $8,000 worth of gear…many will just give the expensive gear all of the credit and dismiss the talent that you, the photographer, invested.

In actuality, the high-end camera didn’t capture your photo....you did. There's an overlooked link between your gear and your photo.....and that is your creativity and your ideas.

It’s a simple concept – acknowledging that the photographer is responsible for the photo he creates – but so many ignore it and begin to over-analyze their own work.

Photographers will sometimes not give themselves enough credit where credit is due; that they are the talent and creative force behind each photo....which is worth much more than any camera or lens.

Yes, you do need to have specific gear to take a certain type of landscape, but that doesn’t guarantee that it will be an outstanding photo. There needs to be both creative talent and technical knowledge to get the photo you want.

You can’t skip this step and buy a truckload of equipment and expect outstanding images….and then get frustrated when your photos look no different than the ones you took with your iPhone.

The missing piece – the fuel behind all of your photographs – is your talent. Without that, your camera is absolutely useless, no matter what the price tag is.

So let’s get back to the main issue here: how do I strengthen my talent and develop my skills so I can easily create outstanding photographs?

Camera, lenses and photo gear are simply tools. There still needs to be a creative force (you) behind the camera to produce the images you want.

It’s the most important symbiotic relationship in landscape photography: the tools and the photographer.

And creative knowledge through expert education is the driving force behind this relationship.

In order to improve your talent and strengthen your creativity, you need to flex those muscles often through education. Otherwise, your craft will become stagnant and unfulfilling....churning out repetative images that fail to excite and inspire you as they once did.
I consume photography education like candy. I LOVE to learn new techniques, and it's GREAT to never get that "plateau" feeling where you don't know what to do next.

Instead, I'm constantly inspired to get out and try something new in the field or with my processing....with the goal to create an image even BETTER than my last.

It's the best feeling, and I never lose it.
The following is off an email from Chris O'Donnell... (show quote)


I will say it again and again here: a tool is a tool is a tool. I have seen absolutely beautiful wood carvings done by a whittling knife and others done by a professional wood carver using a set of 50+ well used and worn carving tools. It always comes down to the tool and the artist's ability to use it. Photography is no different.

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Oct 15, 2017 08:47:59   #
crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada
 
wdross wrote:
I will say it again and again here: a tool is a tool is a tool. I have seen absolutely beautiful wood carvings done by a whittling knife and others done by a professional wood carver using a set of 50+ well used and worn carving tools. It always comes down to the tool and the artist's ability to use it. Photography is no different.


Agreed. Right tool for the right job. A plastic knife wont create a beautiful wood carving.
An iPhone wont create a 30'x60' wall picture on a staircase with a viewing distance of 5ft. Would need a stitched 200mp+ post processed and blown up using a tripod and a high mp camera.
(Dont sue me if the example here is wrong...you get the idea...:-)

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Oct 15, 2017 08:55:54   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
crazydaddio wrote:
Agreed. Right tool for the right job. A plastic knife wont create a beautiful wood carving.
An iPhone wont create a 30'x60' wall picture on a staircase with a viewing distance of 5ft. Would need a stitched 200mp+ post processed and blown up using a tripod and a high mp camera.
(Dont sue me if the example here is wrong...you get the idea...:-)


I do get the idea, and agree.
But, last week I did enlarge an image to 20"x30" taken with an iPhone 7; and was amazed at the detail and resolution.
Made me think the iPhone might be a better tool than I had previously thought.

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Oct 15, 2017 12:48:34   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
wdross wrote:
I will say it again and again here: a tool is a tool is a tool. I have seen absolutely beautiful wood carvings done by a whittling knife and others done by a professional wood carver using a set of 50+ well used and worn carving tools. It always comes down to the tool and the artist's ability to use it. Photography is no different.



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Oct 15, 2017 12:49:09   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
crazydaddio wrote:
Agreed. Right tool for the right job. A plastic knife wont create a beautiful wood carving.
An iPhone wont create a 30'x60' wall picture on a staircase with a viewing distance of 5ft. Would need a stitched 200mp+ post processed and blown up using a tripod and a high mp camera.
(Dont sue me if the example here is wrong...you get the idea...:-)



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Oct 15, 2017 12:50:48   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
They're Getting better aren't they.
Kmgw9v wrote:
I do get the idea, and agree.
But, last week I did enlarge an image to 20"x30" taken with an iPhone 7; and was amazed at the detail and resolution.
Made me think the iPhone might be a better tool than I had previously thought.



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