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Oct 9, 2017 00:20:37   #
sawdust3 Loc: Moline, Il 61265
 
Any thoughts

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Oct 9, 2017 00:24:38   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Yes!

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Oct 9, 2017 02:20:13   #
Captkirk Loc: Masterton, Wairarapa, New Zealand
 
Might be useful if you gave us some idea of what you want thoughts about. Do you actually mean Canon T7i?
sawdust3 wrote:
Any thoughts

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Oct 9, 2017 04:05:33   #
canondave1 Loc: Houston, TX
 
sawdust3 wrote:
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This is confusing! Do you mean Canon t7i?

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Oct 9, 2017 09:08:05   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If you're trying to emulate the behavior of user ChrisT, please don't.

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Oct 9, 2017 10:13:32   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
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Oct 10, 2017 11:17:36   #
Wmetcalf Loc: Rogersville, Mo
 
sawdust3 wrote:
Any thoughts


Thinking I’m hungry. Time for brunch😊😊

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Oct 10, 2017 12:59:19   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Yeah. I think I better get up, go out to the garage, get the weed whacker, and do something useful!

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Oct 10, 2017 22:27:34   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
sawdust3 wrote:
Any thoughts


A Canon Rebel Series Camera. The latest one thus far.

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Oct 10, 2017 22:31:23   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
mas24 wrote:
A Canon Rebel Series Camera. The latest one thus far.


Till the next one of course, one a year. Are they better? Depends upon what you need or want.

Get one, if that's your desire, maybe upgrade in five years or so...

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Oct 11, 2017 13:30:58   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
sawdust3 wrote:
Any thoughts


Well, first of all, get the name right. It's a Canon EOS Rebel T7i (N. American market... it's a EOS 800D in Europe and elsewhere worldwide and a Kiss something or another in Japan.)

Decent little camera. 24MP APS-C sensor (same as T6i, T6s, 77D, 80D). It uses the essentially the same 45-point AF system that was introduced on the 80D. I'm pretty sure it also now has Dual Pixel Auto Focus in Live View (a big improvement over contrast detection AF used in earlier models). And it's got an articulated Touch Screen LCD monitor.

The EOS 77D is a small step up.... mostly the same, but with some additional controls and displays. 77D is really still a "Rebel" series, in spite of Canon dropping the Rebel name from it (it supersedes the Rebel T6s).

Both cameras have the same frame rate (6 fps), same buffer, same 1/4000 top shutter speed and 1/200 flash sync speed. They both probably have 75,000 shutter actuation durability rating (I have not seen Canon ratings for either, but this is typical of this tier of camera). Both also use a "penta-mirror" to reduce weight and cost. As a result, their 95% coverage/.82X viewfinder images aren't quite as bright or large as 80D or 7D Mark II, both of which are 100% and use true "pentaprisms" (80D's is .95X and 7DII's is 1.0X magnification). Also in comparison, the 80D is probably rated for 100,000 actuations and Canon rates the 7D Mark II to do 200,000 "clicks". Both 80D and 7DII have 1/8000 top shutter speed and 1/250 flash sync. 80D can shoot continuously at 7 frames per second and 7DII at 10 frames per second.

Adopting the AF system that was first introduced on the 80D is a very significant upgrade for T7i/77D. As a result, they're the first Rebel series models to have -3EV low light focusing, as well as be "f/8 capable". The latter allows more lens/teleconverter combos to be used. These features were first seen in Canon APS-C models in the 7DII in 2014 and then in the 80D in 2016. Previously, only some full frame and pro-oriented 1D-series models offered this level of performance.

These Rebel series models use a smaller battery (LP-E17 or similar) that's good for roughly half as many shots per charge as the 80D/7DII which use larger LP-E6N batteries. They also aren't as well sealed for dust/weather resistance as the higher models. They use SD/SDHC memory cards (same as 80D.... 7DII has dual card slots: one SD and one Compact Flash). Both these Rebel models have built-in flash (wimpy), WiFi and GPS (which drain the batteries faster).

The Canon Rebel series models have a lot of built in automation and support for users new to or not too familiar with DSLRs. There's less of this "super automation" on 80D and almost none of it on 7DII. But the Rebel models also can be used fairly manually, with the photographer making more decisions and exerting more control. However, Rebel series aren't as convenient for more advanced users, there's less direct access to frequent camera controls, than there is with the "higher" models. For example, to set aperture and shutter manually on a Rebel uses the same dial and you have to press another button first to toggle between them. The 80D, 7DII have direct access to both these controls. Also, setting Exposure Compensation on a Rebel model requires you first press a button, then spin a dial or press other buttons that serve several functions. Both 80D and 7DII have dedicated, direct access controls for E.C., too.

T7i and 77D "in kit" with a lens can be a good value. The EF-S 18-55mm IS STM is usually the less expensive option and the EF-S 18-135mm IS STM an optional upgrade at a bit higher cost. Sometimes there are two-lens kits offered, usually the 18-55mm plus the EF-S 55-250mm IS STM. All these are decent lenses in most respects. Try to avoid any kits that have cheaper non-STM lenses (slower, noisier focusing "micro motor" lenses... not marked STM or USM). The EF-S 18-135mm IS USM is even better (2X to 4X faster focusing than the STM version). But it's rarely sold in kit with these cameras... only with 80D or 7DII. It also costs more (maybe $400 in kit, $600 if bought separately).

Sometimes you'll find a two-lens kit that includes Canon EF 75-300mm "III" (non-IS, non-USM). Avoid that lens. It's Canon's cheapest tele-zoom, hadn't got all that great image quality, lacks stabilization and has slower micro motor focus drive. For only about $100 more, the EF-S 55-250mm IS STM is a MUCH better lens in all respects that's often sold in kit with these cameras. Not offered in kits and therefore more expensive, any of the Canon EF 70-300mm IS USM are better too... or any of the premium, L-series EF 70-200mm USM lenses are even better yet (especially the IS versions).

Have fun shopping!

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Oct 11, 2017 15:23:28   #
Tikva Loc: Waukesha, WI
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you're trying to emulate the behavior of user ChrisT, please don't.


Agreed

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Oct 11, 2017 17:09:24   #
jmvaugh Loc: Albuquerque
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Well, first of all, get the name right. It's a Canon EOS Rebel T7i (N. American market... it's a EOS 800D in Europe and elsewhere worldwide and a Kiss something or another in Japan.)

Decent little camera. 24MP APS-C sensor (same as T6i, T6s, 77D, 80D). It uses the essentially the same 45-point AF system that was introduced on the 80D. I'm pretty sure it also now has Dual Pixel Auto Focus in Live View (a big improvement over contrast detection AF used in earlier models). And it's got an articulated Touch Screen LCD monitor.

The EOS 77D is a small step up.... mostly the same, but with some additional controls and displays. 77D is really still a "Rebel" series, in spite of Canon dropping the Rebel name from it (it supersedes the Rebel T6s).

Both cameras have the same frame rate (6 fps), same buffer, same 1/4000 top shutter speed and 1/200 flash sync speed. They both probably have 75,000 shutter actuation durability rating (I have not seen Canon ratings for either, but this is typical of this tier of camera). Both also use a "penta-mirror" to reduce weight and cost. As a result, their 95% coverage/.82X viewfinder images aren't quite as bright or large as 80D or 7D Mark II, both of which are 100% and use true "pentaprisms" (80D's is .95X and 7DII's is 1.0X magnification). Also in comparison, the 80D is probably rated for 100,000 actuations and Canon rates the 7D Mark II to do 200,000 "clicks". Both 80D and 7DII have 1/8000 top shutter speed and 1/250 flash sync. 80D can shoot continuously at 7 frames per second and 7DII at 10 frames per second.

Adopting the AF system that was first introduced on the 80D is a very significant upgrade for T7i/77D. As a result, they're the first Rebel series models to have -3EV low light focusing, as well as be "f/8 capable". The latter allows more lens/teleconverter combos to be used. These features were first seen in Canon APS-C models in the 7DII in 2014 and then in the 80D in 2016. Previously, only some full frame and pro-oriented 1D-series models offered this level of performance.

These Rebel series models use a smaller battery (LP-E17 or similar) that's good for roughly half as many shots per charge as the 80D/7DII which use larger LP-E6N batteries. They also aren't as well sealed for dust/weather resistance as the higher models. They use SD/SDHC memory cards (same as 80D.... 7DII has dual card slots: one SD and one Compact Flash). Both these Rebel models have built-in flash (wimpy), WiFi and GPS (which drain the batteries faster).

The Canon Rebel series models have a lot of built in automation and support for users new to or not too familiar with DSLRs. There's less of this "super automation" on 80D and almost none of it on 7DII. But the Rebel models also can be used fairly manually, with the photographer making more decisions and exerting more control. However, Rebel series aren't as convenient for more advanced users, there's less direct access to frequent camera controls, than there is with the "higher" models. For example, to set aperture and shutter manually on a Rebel uses the same dial and you have to press another button first to toggle between them. The 80D, 7DII have direct access to both these controls. Also, setting Exposure Compensation on a Rebel model requires you first press a button, then spin a dial or press other buttons that serve several functions. Both 80D and 7DII have dedicated, direct access controls for E.C., too.

T7i and 77D "in kit" with a lens can be a good value. The EF-S 18-55mm IS STM is usually the less expensive option and the EF-S 18-135mm IS STM an optional upgrade at a bit higher cost. Sometimes there are two-lens kits offered, usually the 18-55mm plus the EF-S 55-250mm IS STM. All these are decent lenses in most respects. Try to avoid any kits that have cheaper non-STM lenses (slower, noisier focusing "micro motor" lenses... not marked STM or USM). The EF-S 18-135mm IS USM is even better (2X to 4X faster focusing than the STM version). But it's rarely sold in kit with these cameras... only with 80D or 7DII. It also costs more (maybe $400 in kit, $600 if bought separately).

Sometimes you'll find a two-lens kit that includes Canon EF 75-300mm "III" (non-IS, non-USM). Avoid that lens. It's Canon's cheapest tele-zoom, hadn't got all that great image quality, lacks stabilization and has slower micro motor focus drive. For only about $100 more, the EF-S 55-250mm IS STM is a MUCH better lens in all respects that's often sold in kit with these cameras. Not offered in kits and therefore more expensive, any of the Canon EF 70-300mm IS USM are better too... or any of the premium, L-series EF 70-200mm USM lenses are even better yet (especially the IS versions).

Have fun shopping!
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Very nice breakdown - do you or have you had a career with Canon?

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Oct 11, 2017 17:54:02   #
papa Loc: Rio Dell, CA
 
Because, you too mayfind yourself on his ignore list that grows daily. He doesn't want competition on asking dumb questions to try and sound intelligent.
CHG_CANON wrote:
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