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Oct 10, 2017 13:34:01   #
tjjm Loc: Saint Louis, Mo.
 
I have the 7D mark ll paired with the 100-400 and can't imagine a much better set up for birding. The teleconvertor has kept me from purchasing a scope; so far. From what I hear though wish I had the 100-400 IS ll.

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Oct 10, 2017 13:56:23   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
tjjm wrote:
I have the 7D mark ll paired with the 100-400 and can't imagine a much better set up for birding. The teleconvertor has kept me from purchasing a scope; so far. From what I hear though wish I had the 100-400 IS ll.


I don't know if you would see an awful big difference in IQ, since with a crop sensor you are using the center of the lens. The so-called sweet spot. Both versions seem to have fairly equal quality there. I have a MkII and a friend has the original. From what I have seen of his work there is not a noticeable difference. That said, I do prefer the MkII because it's IS is superb and it's auto-focus is incredible. On a full frame it's a different story. You are using the outer edges of the lens and that is where you will see distortion and chromatic issues with the older version compared to the newer.

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Oct 10, 2017 15:24:15   #
kerry12 Loc: Harrisburg, Pa.
 
That is true. All canons have metal frames but not metal bodies. If you read the specs, The 80D has a metal frame with a polycarbonate body. The 7D has a magnesium body.
LFingar wrote:
All of Canon's DSLRs have metal frames, as do Nikons, I would assume, and probably most others. The difference is in how robust the frame is and in the metal used. The 7DII has a very robust frame made out of magnesium. The 80D is less robust and made out of aluminum. Unless you plan to use your camera as a chock block so that your car doesn't roll, I don't know that it makes a great deal of difference to the average user.
All of Canon's DSLRs have metal frames, as do Niko... (show quote)

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Oct 10, 2017 17:52:07   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
kerry12 wrote:
That is true. All canons have metal frames but not metal bodies. If you read the specs, The 80D has a metal frame with a polycarbonate body. The 7D has a magnesium body.


Really? Then there is something wrong with my 7DII. All the body panels are made out of poly. Every outer panel, the body, is poly, not metal. My 5DIV is the same. There is considerably more metal in the framework of the 7DII and 5DIV then the 80D, or of the 6D that I had for that matter, but the body panels are all made of poly.

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Oct 10, 2017 19:51:31   #
dyximan
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Costco typically only offers the cheapest possible kits. The EF-S 18-55mm STM IS is okay... and inexpensive. But the EF-S 18-135mm IS USM is a MUCH better lens in almost all respects. Better build, better image quality, wider range of focal lengths, and 2X to 4X faster USM autofocus.

80D in kit with 18-135mm USM is $1500 at B&H in NYC.
80D in kit with 18-55mm STM and EF-S 55-250mm is $1400 at B&H ($1250 with only the 18-55mm). I haven't looked but suspect it's a similar 2-lens kit at Costco, too, for the same price. For birding, the 55-250mm would come up short and it's STM might struggle to track moving subjects.

The EF-S 15-85mm IS USM lens would be a step up from the 18-135mm USM, but the 15-85mm isn't offered in kit with any camera, so the overall cost would be higher.

If wanting a larger aperture lens, the EF-S 17-55mm IS USM is a top choice, but again it's not offered in kit with any camera and the cost will be higher.

For landscape photography, the 15-85mm might serve... but the compact, lightweight and inexpensive EF-S 10-18mm IS STM ($300) or the somewhat better built EF-S 10-22mm USM ($600) might be even better.

For birding, the EF 100-400mm IS USM "II" is hard to beat for it's versatility. It costs about $2050. On 7DII and especially on 80D, it works well with 1.4X teleconverter, too. Canon's 1.4X III is rather pricey at about $425. The Kenko MC-4 1.4X for about $100 is also quite good on a crop sensor camera (I'm not 100% sure it will enable all 27 f/8-capable AF points to be used in the 80D, the way the the Canon 1.4X III will... I use the older Canon 1.4X II, also quite good on various lenses).

Of course there are also the Sigma 100-400mm ($800, but no tripod mounting ring), the new Tamron 100-400mm (price unknown, tripod ring optional), Tamron 150-600mm (original version, $870), Sigma 150-600mm "Contemporary" ($990), Tamron 150-600mm "G2" ($1400) and Sigma 150-600mm "Sports" ($1800).
Costco typically only offers the cheapest possible... (show quote)


Thank you for your advice time and effort, I am renting the 7DMKII this weekend with the 18 to 135 and the 200 to 400, will see how it goes, going for the fall colors of the Eastern Sierras and some birding.

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Oct 10, 2017 20:47:14   #
MidnightManiac
 
I can only suggest the Canon 7DII. Not a birding person but am a sports photographer. The 10 FPS is something that makes this the action camera it is. The focusing system takes a bit to get right but once you learn it, it's the best. Youtube has some great videos to get started with. Shoot mostly with the Canon 70-200 f2.8 and get great results. Have been a Canon shooter for decades and consider their lenses and selection of lenses the best. Their "L" glass is outstanding.

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Oct 10, 2017 23:35:05   #
kerry12 Loc: Harrisburg, Pa.
 
I don't care to argue. Read the specs. It's there in black and white.
LFingar wrote:
Really? Then there is something wrong with my 7DII. All the body panels are made out of poly. Every outer panel, the body, is poly, not metal. My 5DIV is the same. There is considerably more metal in the framework of the 7DII and 5DIV then the 80D, or of the 6D that I had for that matter, but the body panels are all made of poly.

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Oct 11, 2017 00:17:37   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
dyximan wrote:
Thank you for your advice time and effort, I am renting the 7DMKII this weekend with the 18 to 135 and the 200 to 400, will see how it goes, going for the fall colors of the Eastern Sierras and some birding.


Agreed dyximan, Alan is a wealth of knowledge on Canon gear. Sorry to hear you Nikon gear was stolen. I have both the 7D MKII and just recently suffered from a GAS attack and got the 80D from B & H, and upgraded to the version II 24-105L from Adorama, because B & H was back ordered on the lens. And when GAS hits me I gotta have it now.

I used a 60D for years until I upgraded to the 7D MKII and sorely missed the articulating screen which the 80D has, plus 4 more megapixels, and the touch screen which I absolutely love. You can do virtually everything on the touch screen. I also love my 7D MKII which I use a lot of the time, but with the features in the 80D I have come to the conclusion I shall just have 2 crop sensor Canon's, and when I go out on a shoot I will have my 100-400L on the 7D MKII, and the 24-105L on the 80D. That should just about cover any thing I want to photograph.

My advice is rent the 80D as well for comparison then make your choice because I don't think you could go wrong with either body.

Best of luck in your quest;
Michael

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Oct 11, 2017 08:28:59   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
kerry12 wrote:
I don't care to argue. Read the specs. It's there in black and white.


Canon uses the term "body" and "chassis" interchangeably in their specs, which does lead to confusion, but it is still the component upon which everything else is mounted, including the body panels. That makes it a frame so far as I am concerned. You call it what you like.

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Oct 11, 2017 08:37:58   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
LFingar wrote:
Canon uses the term "body" and "chassis" interchangeably in their specs, which does lead to confusion, but it is still the component upon which everything else is mounted, including the body panels. That makes it a frame so far as I am concerned. You call it what you like.





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