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Oct 9, 2017 17:36:34   #
Dexter56 Loc: Ohio
 
another vote for single point. thanks for the reply

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Oct 9, 2017 17:38:00   #
Dexter56 Loc: Ohio
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Buy this book and wonder no more.


Jerry, I did not see the name of the book in your reply. Am I missing something?

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Oct 9, 2017 17:40:32   #
Dexter56 Loc: Ohio
 
ronichas wrote:
I would suggest group focus, which is a Nikon feature. I use this often on my D750. It is also found in the D500.

**The camera focuses using all the focus points in a group around the point selected by the user, reducing the risk of the camera focusing on the background. Choose for subjects that are difficult to photograph using a single focus point.**

**When compared to the regular Single-Point AF Mode, Group-area AF activates five focus points to track subjects. This focus mode is great for initial focus acquisition and tracking of subjects when compared to a Single-Point or Dynamic AF, especially when dealing with smaller birds that fly erratically and can be really hard to focus on and track. In such situations, the Group-area AF mode might give better results than Dynamic AF, showing better accuracy and consistency from shot to shot.***
I would suggest group focus, which is a Nikon feat... (show quote)


I was hoping someone would tell me about their experience with Group. I am going to try single point and Group at the next game. It was my understanding that Group switched to the closest subject? do I have that wrong?

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Oct 9, 2017 17:45:26   #
Dexter56 Loc: Ohio
 
[quote=Thomas902]Dexter56 I feel your pain... been there with the D500, that is until I found wisdom from Nikon Professional Services (Global) Technical Solutions | D500 TIPS: Sports AF Edition... I would strongly suggest you invest a day or so reviewing and getting your head around the savvy knowledge latent within... http://nps.nikonimaging.com/technical_solutions/d500_tips/af/

Nice pics. I am glad you replied as I know you have had experience with the D500. I agree that it is a beast of its own. I have not had this much trouble getting action shots in focus with any of my other Nikons. I know it is me, I just need to get used to the camera. I am definitely going to check out the information you passed along. Thanks again.

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Oct 9, 2017 17:46:57   #
Dexter56 Loc: Ohio
 
dyximan wrote:
I recently rented this camera specifically for birding etc. moving objects. And discussed with the camera store and others this very subject. You might try spot focus first then the next one up is a matrix and the large focus area is way too much and I found the camera can't decide what to focus on an individual the referee the bench etc.. you might also Google the D 500 as I did and found helpful as it explained it three focal areas and the conditions in which they Work best. Good luck have fun I guess you have till Friday before the next game
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That is the exact same problem I am having. I wish I had the option for the 9 points like on my 750

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Oct 9, 2017 17:47:52   #
Dexter56 Loc: Ohio
 
cjc2 wrote:
As a professional sports action photographer, I use a D5, D500 and D850. I shoot sports using Group Focus and set Focus Tracking to 2. I leave "subject Motion" in the middle. YMMV, Best of luck.!


Going to give Group Focus a try. Thanks for the reply

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Oct 9, 2017 18:05:35   #
sandiegosteve Loc: San Diego, CA
 
I think this is probably the book mentioned: https://backcountrygallery.com/secrets-nikon-autofocus-system/

While good, it is long and you'll read it (well written and entertaining). So, if you get it, don't wait until the day of and think you'll get through it.

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Oct 9, 2017 18:09:26   #
dyximan
 
He also has some back country videos they take about 10 or 12 minutes to discuss briefly how to set up varying focus techniques

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Oct 9, 2017 18:20:19   #
Dexter56 Loc: Ohio
 
[quote=Thomas902]Dexter56 I feel your pain... been there with the D500, that is until I found wisdom from Nikon Professional Services (Global) Technical Solutions | D500 TIPS: Sports AF Edition... I would strongly suggest you invest a day or so reviewing and getting your head around the savvy knowledge latent within... http://nps.nikonimaging.com/technical_solutions/d500_tips/af/

Here is an image from last week's game. I can have the focus dead on, but when the player gets into traffic, the focus likes to jump to another subject.


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Oct 9, 2017 18:25:21   #
dyximan
 
[quote=Dexter56]
Thomas902 wrote:
Dexter56 I feel your pain... been there with the D500, that is until I found wisdom from Nikon Professional Services (Global) Technical Solutions | D500 TIPS: Sports AF Edition... I would strongly suggest you invest a day or so reviewing and getting your head around the savvy knowledge latent within... http://nps.nikonimaging.com/technical_solutions/d500_tips/af/
There is an image from last week's game. I can have the focus dead on, but when the player gets into traffic, the focus likes to jump to another subject.
Dexter56 I feel your pain... been there with the D... (show quote)

There is a tracking sensitivity Setting whereby you can delay the focusing should you go past a goal post a refs he'd etc. and it will not change focus to pick up those items.

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Oct 9, 2017 18:27:19   #
Dexter56 Loc: Ohio
 
[quote=Dexter56][quote=Thomas902]Dexter56 I feel your pain... been there with the D500, that is until I found wisdom from Nikon Professional Services (Global) Technical Solutions | D500 TIPS: Sports AF Edition... I would strongly suggest you invest a day or so reviewing and getting your head around the savvy knowledge latent within... http://nps.nikonimaging.com/technical_solutions/d500_tips/af/


Here is a good example of where I had #4 in sharp focus and my point shifted to the player on the ground. This becomes very frustrating, as I really wanted a good shot of #4 celebrating after a nice play. This is where I think single point will take care of the issue. I hope.


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Oct 9, 2017 18:28:52   #
Dexter56 Loc: Ohio
 
dyximan wrote:
There is a tracking sensitivity Setting whereby you can delay the focusing should you go past a goal post a refs he'd etc. and it will not change focus to pick up those items.


Yes, have been playing around with that to try to get it to a delay that works. Getting there, but it is a process.

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Oct 9, 2017 18:33:53   #
dyximan
 
Dexter56 wrote:
Yes, have been playing around with that to try to get it to a delay that works. Getting there, but it is a process.


Yes it is. But I think you're on the right track, single point focus, and tracking sensitivity with back button focus

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Oct 9, 2017 18:45:33   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
[quote=Dexter56][quote=Dexter56]
Thomas902 wrote:
Dexter56 I feel your pain... been there with the D500, that is until I found wisdom from Nikon Professional Services (Global) Technical Solutions | D500 TIPS: Sports AF Edition... I would strongly suggest you invest a day or so reviewing and getting your head around the savvy knowledge latent within... http://nps.nikonimaging.com/technical_solutions/d500_tips/af/


Here is a good example of where I had #4 in sharp focus and my point shifted to the player on the ground. This becomes very frustrating, as I really wanted a good shot of #4 celebrating after a nice play. This is where I think single point will take care of the issue. I hope.
Dexter56 I feel your pain... been there with the D... (show quote)


I'm not sure what happened here because I don't have all the facts, but it is very unlikely that your focus shifted from an upright player to the player on the ground. There MAY be some amount of forward/back focusing of your lens involved, but most of what I'm seeing, by zooming in a bit, is related to the low light resolution of the sensor as opposed to a focusing issue. Although the D500 is a fine example of a camera, it still is a Crop Frame body and it is nowhere as good as something like a D5. I own both, and use both for night football, and there absolutely is a difference in the files produced by each. Soon, I will be using my new D850 in place of the D500 for just that reason. That is, just as soon as Adobe releases a version of ACR that will accomplish it. Night football is a difficult subject to capture and requires high end equipment to do it right. After that, experience is key, and it looks like you're getting some with your images. Best of luck.

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Oct 9, 2017 19:03:44   #
Dexter56 Loc: Ohio
 
That's interesting. So what I think you are saying is that #4 is in focus, just that the image quality isn't there due to the low light conditions. Maybe the player on the ground is in a little better light? something I didn't consider. I am going to go into Friday night's game using single point and Group and see if I have better luck. I am also going to switch lenses between my D750 and D500 and see what kind of results I get. By the way, that was shot with a Nikon 300mm, 2.8. Thanks for your reply.

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