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Oct 25, 2011 15:34:56   #
blackmtnman
 
[quote=Rachel]
MWAC wrote:
A raw file is essentially the data (think of it like the old film negative)


Yes...the best, shortest description of RAW I ever heard was "It's a digital negative."

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Oct 25, 2011 15:51:36   #
Bobbee
 
[quote=blackmtnman]
gizzy.whicker wrote:
My RAW files won't let me same back to them. They always remain just as they came from the camera... unless I delete them, which I do quite frequently, saving only the "Best of the Best", and trash canning the rest.

Not sure where that problem comes from. My biggest problem with RAW is I let the files pile up. Takes forever to delete the junk images.


And I'm sorry...noob here hijacking the thread.


there is an XMP file in there, try deleting it

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Oct 25, 2011 22:36:51   #
jepoplin Loc: Steamboat Springs, CO
 
I would try shooting both NEF and JPG at the same time until you get the hang of NEFs. Raw images are essentially a digital negative, and they capture more information than a JPG...which comes in handy when processing your photos.

RAW images files record data for all three of the colors within the pixel (red, green and blue). Where as a JPG only records the color levels of the most prominent color within the pixel. That is why when printing JPG's versus NEF's, a JPG will have blown colors (and you also loose a great deal of your images detail as well). Since NEF's do record all three, of course your image files are going to be much larger.

I only shoot NEFs... when you pull an image into Photoshop/Lightroom you have more information availble that allows you to adjust exposure, contrast... the list goes on and on. When you do make your adjustment save a master copy in a format other than JPG, I personally use TIF files. If you save a file to a JPG, go back in and work on it and save it again you continue to loose important data (and photo details) due to the compression of saving to JPG.

I'm sure once you see the quality difference you'll be shooting in NEF format only.

John
http://www.johnepoplin.com/

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Oct 25, 2011 22:44:03   #
JacLee Loc: Chico CA
 
Enlighten me please. I don't have any idea what any of you are talking about. Boy do I need lessons. When I first saw "shooting in the raw", I thought you meant in the nude. <;-(

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Oct 25, 2011 23:07:36   #
architect Loc: Chattanooga
 
JacLee. If your camera does not have a selection for RAW, then you do not need to worry about what it is in the immediate future. As you become more educated and experienced, or if your camera does support RAW, you will want to know more about it, and a lot is explained in the posts above.

Shooting naked is fun if the weather is nice, and if you have no inhibitions. I would advise having some clothes nearby though in case the local police are not so accommodating.

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Oct 25, 2011 23:16:48   #
CAM1017 Loc: Chiloquin, Oregon
 
The best possible world with a raw file is to keep it as it was shot. All the data. You them with a copy make a revised edited revision to your liking and save this as your working revision. This is how Aperture 3 works. The full raw file is kept in a sequence with the revised versions. It sounds like a lot of extra storage on the computer but it is not. The only extra storage is the instructions for the revision. The revised file photo's are shown to the right of the raw file. You can always go back to the raw file or any revision with one click.
With JPEG the file is edited by a program that may not be to your liking and you have lost control of the process.

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Oct 26, 2011 00:12:32   #
JacLee Loc: Chico CA
 
architect wrote:
JacLee. If your camera does not have a selection for RAW, then you do not need to worry about what it is in the immediate future. As you become more educated and experienced, or if your camera does support RAW, you will want to know more about it, and a lot is explained in the posts above.

Shooting naked is fun if the weather is nice, and if you have no inhibitions. I would advise having some clothes nearby though in case the local police are not so accommodating.

Thank you. I don't have anything special, just a Fujifilm point and shoot.
And also - too much Poison Oak to shoot here in the raw~~

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Oct 26, 2011 00:16:53   #
JacLee Loc: Chico CA
 
CAM1017 wrote:
The best possible world with a raw file is to keep it as it was shot. All the data. You them with a copy make a revised edited revision to your liking and save this as your working revision. This is how Aperture 3 works. The full raw file is kept in a sequence with the revised versions. It sounds like a lot of extra storage on the computer but it is not. The only extra storage is the instructions for the revision. The revised file photo's are shown to the right of the raw file. You can always go back to the raw file or any revision with one click.
With JPEG the file is edited by a program that may not be to your liking and you have lost control of the process.
The best possible world with a raw file is to keep... (show quote)


Thank You also for your explanation. How little I know,but I am having fun just taking pictures when something catches my eye.
God Bless
JacLee

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Oct 26, 2011 01:03:19   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Rachel wrote:
MWAC wrote:
A raw file is essentially the data (think of it like the old film negative) that the camera has recorded along with some additional information tagged on. A JPG file is one that has had the camera applies a form of conversation, adds white balance, contrast, and saturation, and then has had some level of destructive compression applied.

So in a nut shell the RAW file is larger, contains more data has no contrast, saturation, w/b added in camera. The JPEG file has the above added as well as is compressed to a smaller sized file, thus why you can save more images on your memory card if you shot JPEG vs. RAW.

I personally only shot RAW.
A raw file is essentially the data (think of it li... (show quote)


MWAC said mirrors what "outdoor Photographer" magazine stated in their Nov. issue. That being said, the RAW file will not look as sharp as the JPEG file does when you first put it on your computer to edited. Basically my understanding is that in JPEG your camera has already done some of the editing for you. (as mention above)
If you lack the software, or the knowledge of how to edited RAW you can end up with a picture that actually looks worst then the JPEG.
If you can, pick up the magazine (Outdoor Photographer, Nov. issue) and read it. There they look at both the pros and cons of shooting in JPEG and shooting in RAW.

If you really want to cover all you basis, then look to see if your camera allows you to shoot in both RAW and JPEG at the same time. Yes, it will eat up a lot of memory, but you will get a better understanding of the differences.
A picture is worth a thousand words applies here.
Edit and print both of your pictures and look closely at the final results. Make your decission from there on what mode you want to shoot in.
quote=MWAC A raw file is essentially the data (th... (show quote)


The reason that raw images can look a little rough is because nothing has been done to them in any way.Be assured, with the proper work a raw file is the best. Once you have the raw file stored you can make a jpeg any time so why bother storing a raw file and a jpeg file at the same time. When the camera does the processing of your image you are relying on what the camera manufacturer thinks is the best image and thats a big mistake. You are much better off doing your own work on your files. All you need to store is the raw image because with this you can do anything and it will take up less space.

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Oct 26, 2011 20:08:22   #
Nikonuser Loc: South Dakota
 
Have a Nikon D90 and shoot almost always in Raw and then use Capture NX2 to edit. Amazing results! JPG's only for kids sports when I want to take hundreds of pictures at about 4 per second...delete 90% of them and save the great ones. Still use Large and Fine for JPG just in case one comes out great and I want to print a larger size picture.

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Oct 27, 2011 10:35:49   #
marmesto Loc: Hamburg, NY
 
I admit I didn't read all of the responses here, so someone may have already suggested this; but some subjects (mostly snapshot type pictures) may not warrant the memory premium of RAW. I shoot JPEG or JPEG+RAW depending on how important the subject seems to me. Clearly, it's a judgment call.

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Nov 7, 2011 22:34:23   #
K2KImages
 
Nothing is lost in the raw format, the camera settings like saturation etc won't be saved in the raw file. This is why you need to manipulate the setting from the raw file yourself. Please remember not to save back to the raw file, this raw file should be your negative and not touched.

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Dec 4, 2012 10:38:05   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
raw is not the end all,be all for every one.i use it now and then.

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