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Oct 7, 2017 08:44:39   #
Mary Kate Loc: NYC
 
Indylp wrote:
Maybe he trusts his buddies on the forum he belongs to rather
than random answers he might get on Google



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Oct 7, 2017 08:46:21   #
lamontcranston
 
CloudyCoastPhotography wrote:

I love this forum, but there sure are a lot of db’s who reply with sarcasm and snarky replies. Kinda takes away from the forum. So my call to arms for everybody else who’s sick of the troll responses: from now on when somebody answers rudely, respond to them with “thanks for nothing, troll.”


So true. The few pathetic individuals that get their pleasure from demeaning others on the forum are just looking for a reaction from others to confirm their own pathetic existence. I would recommend clicking on their username and putting them on your Ignore List. You will never hear anything from them again.

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Oct 7, 2017 08:48:42   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Basic photography once again. Sunny 16 refers to the exposure that on a sunny day will be correct for the subject at hand. It applies to 2 hours after sunrise and 2 hours before sunset.
On a sunny day, with front lighted subjects the correct exposure for a subject with middle tonality will be f16-1/ISO. That simply means that if you are using ISO 200 your exposure to properly expose the subject will be f16-1/200sec. Keep in mind I said "front lighted middle tonality subjects." If the subject is dark it is necessary to reduce the exposure by 1 stop and if bright increase it by 1 stop or f16-1/100 for the dark subject and f16-1/400 for the bright one.
If the subject is sidelighted then it is necessary to open 1 stop more and 2 stops if it is backlighted. Other apertures and shutter speeds to suit the subject can be selected using reciprocity law but I will not get you confused with that.
A simple Google search should give you all the information you need.

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Oct 7, 2017 08:49:16   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Gerylee wrote:
I thought this was a club to help other photographers. Lots of folks have given quite detailed answers, some more complicated than others.

You gave a detailed put down. Why did you do that?

Our OP asked a legitimate question. But instead of spending the 0.55 seconds it took Google to generate about 12,100,000 results and to then read and learn and develop their own knowledge ... they did ah .... what? Asked others to google and read it for them ...

And how many of the god-worthy UHH KXers actually did something else than the exact same google and then just cut n paste here? More than one chart was copied directly from the image results from Google into responses to this post ...

Aesop, see reference above, is thought to have lived in Greece about 2,600 years ago, so nothing new here although no one in no time ever before has had access to 12,100,000 pieces of knowledge available in just 0.55 seconds ...

BTW - hopefully those following this chit-chat worthy discussion have learned too that diffraction issues in digital sensors may have moved the sunny 16 at f/16 to the dust heap of photography best practices ...

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Oct 7, 2017 09:01:14   #
bfstuff
 
Bill_de wrote:
Since F/16 isn't a good choice with high res digital cameras...


I've never heard that before. What is wrong with F/16 on digital cameras?

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Oct 7, 2017 09:07:01   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
bfstuff wrote:
I've never heard that before. What is wrong with F/16 on digital cameras?



From Nikon:

Tips for capturing high resolution images with a high pixel count camera
1. Stopping down the aperture reduces lens aberrations and increases depth of field making focusing easier, however stopping down too much may make the image look softer due to diffraction. Do not stop down the aperture too much.



https://www.nikonimgsupport.com/eu/BV_article?articleNo=000006352&configured=1&lang=en_GB

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Oct 7, 2017 09:46:31   #
markie1425 Loc: Bryn Mawr, PA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Marky, let me show you how google works ...

A Waggoner was once driving a heavy load along a very muddy way. At last he came to a part of the road where the wheels sank half-way into the mire, and the more the horses pulled, the deeper sank the wheels. So the Waggoner threw down his whip, and knelt down and prayed to Hercules the Strong. “O Hercules, help me in this my hour of distress,” quoth he. But Hercules appeared to him, and said:

“Tut, man, don’t sprawl there. Get up and put your shoulder to the wheel.
“The gods help them that help themselves.”

You might recognize this as Aesop's work, one of your contemporaries?
Marky, let me show you how google works ... br b... (show quote)


You come from the Windy City and you certainly are windy.

Go elsewhere and leave the good folks here alone.

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Oct 7, 2017 09:47:08   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
It's a guide that someone came up with some many years ago. Google is your best friend in times such as these.
--Bob
DJO wrote:
I frequently see "the sunny 16 rule" referred to in a variety of threads. I don't know what this means. Rather than hi-jack someone else's question, I am posting my own. I'm certain that many members will be able to help me understand this term.

Thank you.

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Oct 7, 2017 09:48:38   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Not for the SEI Photometer I have. It reads 1/2 degree. Though, you are correct in that it is rare to find a spot meter that reads an area smaller than 1 degree.
--Bob
blackest wrote:
moon is about 1/2 a degree in the sky, still quite small for a spot meter.

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Oct 7, 2017 09:51:54   #
Mary Kate Loc: NYC
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Our OP asked a legitimate question. But instead of spending the 0.55 seconds it took Google to generate about 12,100,000 results and to then read and learn and develop their own knowledge ... they did ah .... what? Asked others to google and read it for them ...

And how many of the god-worthy UHH KXers actually did something else than the exact same google and then just cut n paste here? More than one chart was copied directly from the image results from Google into responses to this post ...

Aesop, see reference above, is thought to have lived in Greece about 2,600 years ago, so nothing new here although no one in no time ever before has had access to 12,100,000 pieces of knowledge available in just 0.55 seconds ...

BTW - hopefully those following this chit-chat worthy discussion have learned too that diffraction issues in digital sensors may have moved the sunny 16 at f/16 to the dust heap of photography best practices ...
Our OP asked a legitimate question. But instead of... (show quote)


Yawn

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Oct 7, 2017 09:56:40   #
BebuLamar
 
billnikon wrote:
I means that on a sunny day you can bet from 10 AM to 2 PM your exposure should be 1/125 sec. at f16 at ISO 100.

The sunny 16 rule works like this:

On a clear and sunny day, at an aperture of F/16, you will get a correct exposure if you use a shutter speed that’s the inverse of the ISO speed you’re using.
The second part is probably the one that’s confusing you (if any of it is). You have to know what ISO speed is in order to decipher what’s going on. So allow me to explain.
The easiest way to explain is with an example. If it's a sunny day, and have your aperture set to F/16 and ISO set to 200, to correctly expose your image the shutter speed needs to be set to 1/200 (the inverse of the ISO number).

ISO speed is your camera’s sensitivity to light. A bigger ISO speed means a larger sensitivity. If your camera is more sensitive to light, it takes less light to make a picture more bright. Most cameras start out at an ISO speed of 100, and some models go as high as ISO 1600. That’s 16 times more sensitive than the default, meaning you’d need to expose the camera to 16 times less light in order to get the same picture. I talk more about ISO in ISO Explained.

Keep this in mind because you’ll notice a pattern. The rule says you need to use the inverse of the ISO speed. That’s interesting because as you increase your ISO speed, you effectively have to increase your shutter speed to compensate. At ISO 200, your camera is twice as sensitive to light, so you need to use a shutter speed of 1/200 of a second to let in less light and balance it out.

Let’s use another example. Let’s say it’s a sunny day, and your camera is set to ISO 400. According to the sunny 16 rule, if you use an aperture of F/16 and a shutter speed of 1/400 s, you will have an evenly balanced image that is neither too bright nor too dark.

That’s interesting, but it seems like the rule can only help us out when it’s sunny.
I means that on a sunny day you can bet from 10 AM... (show quote)


Sorry but you modified the rule. In the sunny condition the exposure for ISO 100 would be f/16 and 1/100 and not 1/125 (I know back in the old days they use 1/125 because that the closet shutter speed you can set but today almost all cameras can be set to 1/100).

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Oct 7, 2017 09:59:28   #
achesley Loc: SW Louisiana
 
A few years back in one of the several forums I belong to I mentioned to guy that had asked a question and called it a stupid question ( No Question is Stupid , But, probably 50% of the answers you are gonna get are way past STUPID )
I learned a bit from the many great answers even though I had a basic idea on the Sunny 16 coming from film cameras many years ago. Thank you to the ones that gave insite to the rule.

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Oct 7, 2017 10:05:49   #
Stlouisphotog
 
Had he used Google, I certainly would not have learned a great rule. I am also trying to learn and seeing threads like this is educational to others who come across it. Seeing the back and forth is very useful. I did not have the question in mind when I found this, but I am grateful to those who cared enough to educate rather than denigrate. I am appreciative of those who have gained knowledge taking time to help others. That is why I come here.

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Oct 7, 2017 10:26:41   #
markie1425 Loc: Bryn Mawr, PA
 
markie1425 wrote:
You come from the Windy City and you certainly are windy.

Go elsewhere and leave the good folks here alone.


CHG_CANON is the first UHH-er on my Ignore List.

I won't have to see his inane and rude remarks.

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Oct 7, 2017 10:33:37   #
bfstuff
 
Bill_de wrote:
From Nikon:

Tips for capturing high resolution images with a high pixel count camera
1. Stopping down the aperture reduces lens aberrations and increases depth of field making focusing easier, however stopping down too much may make the image look softer due to diffraction. Do not stop down the aperture too much.


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Very Interesting! I've tended to like more DOF whenever possible. Maybe now I'll rethink that. Thanks!

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