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Oct 2, 2017 14:33:16   #
toxdoc42
 
I have never had good luck with any used anything! Sorry about your experience with new. What did you buy and what was wrong with it?

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Oct 2, 2017 14:41:48   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
I have never had good luck with any used anything! Sorry about your experience with new. What did you buy and what was wrong with it?

The majority of my equipment is used, like 95% of everything: the lenses, bodies and flashes. I've had nothing but great success. The few problems were discovered immediately from KEH and returned no questions asked back to the vendor using their prepaid shipping label.

Now if you're shopping off of Craig's List, meeting in parking garages and paying cash. That might be risky ... But, I had success with the one lens purchased that way too ...

You can spend your money anyway you want. Buying less for more is what many many prefer to do.

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Oct 2, 2017 15:49:14   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Tet68survivor wrote:
I use to tell people, " don't buy used, your buying someone else's problem" but then I bought a brand new lens and guess what! Send it back and wait!


I have never had a problem buying used equipment from a reputable dealer. I've bought two lenses from KEH, a used equipment dealer in Georgia. They are very conservative in their ratings of gear. Both lenses arrived in better condition than advertised, and work flawlessly. KEH has a 180-day warranty on their gear.

Used equipment is also available from B&H, Adorama, Cameta Camera, and others. The ones I've named here are all trustworthy. All but KEH have new and refurbished gear, as well.

Refurbs are generally as good as or better than factory new units. They have been inspected, checked for performance, cleaned, and re-packed. Most are demo units, or returns from folks who bought the wrong thing.

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Oct 2, 2017 16:30:34   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
An example image shot at ISO 6400, f/5.0, 1/250, 70mm, cropped and with some flash to add some light.
September 14, 2017 at 8:30pm...
Noise reduction done in Lightroom...
Being able to add light with a flash or two is a huge advantage.
With the flash sync of 1/250th stopping the motion can be an issue.
But High Speed Sync might be a viable option if overheating the flash can be avoided.
If the flash is providing most of the light the flash duration is so brief it can stop the motion.
But that takes a lot of light output...

Best,
Todd Ferguson


(Download)

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Oct 2, 2017 17:48:14   #
Tet68survivor Loc: Pomfret Center CT
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
An example image shot at ISO 6400, f/5.0, 1/250, 70mm, cropped and with some flash to add some light.
September 14, 2017 at 8:30pm...
Noise reduction done in Lightroom...
Being able to add light with a flash or two is a huge advantage.
With the flash sync of 1/250th stopping the motion can be an issue.
But High Speed Sync might be a viable option if overheating the flash can be avoided.
If the flash is providing most of the light the flash duration is so brief it can stop the motion.
But that takes a lot of light output...

Best,
Todd Ferguson
An example image shot at ISO 6400, f/5.0, 1/250, 7... (show quote)


Nice detail!

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Oct 2, 2017 17:59:34   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
An example image shot at ISO 6400, f/5.0, 1/250, 70mm, cropped and with some flash to add some light.
September 14, 2017 at 8:30pm...
Noise reduction done in Lightroom...
Being able to add light with a flash or two is a huge advantage.
With the flash sync of 1/250th stopping the motion can be an issue.
But High Speed Sync might be a viable option if overheating the flash can be avoided.
If the flash is providing most of the light the flash duration is so brief it can stop the motion.
But that takes a lot of light output...

Best,
Todd Ferguson
An example image shot at ISO 6400, f/5.0, 1/250, 7... (show quote)


Nice shot. Looks like a Ford Falcon - what’s under the hood?

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Oct 2, 2017 18:02:23   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
TriX wrote:
Nice shot. Looks like a Ford Falcon - what’s under the hood?


Don't know what it is running...nothing huge I don't think...
He is having fun and its not costing him a ton it appears...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Oct 2, 2017 20:19:00   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Don't know what it is running...nothing huge I don't think...
He is having fun and its not costing him a ton it appears...

Best,
Todd Ferguson


What else is there to do in Harrisburg, NC, anyway?

It’s like race town, USA... an amazing amount of motor sports business happens there.

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Oct 2, 2017 20:52:20   #
pnittoly Loc: Mountainside, New Jersey
 
LOL

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Oct 2, 2017 20:53:16   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
burkphoto wrote:
What else is there to do in Harrisburg, NC, anyway?

It’s like race town, USA... an amazing amount of motor sports business happens there.


Burk,
Yes, we live about 5 miles from Charlotte Motor Speedway and 6 miles from zMax Dragway. This photo is from Piedmont Dragway about a 100 miles up I85 from us. There are a few Champion drag racers in Harrisburg, NC including Charles Carpenter, Steve Furr and my son, Dan. There are quite a few drag racers in the area and we also have Wood Brothers of NASCAR fame in Harrisburg too. But Mooresville is still Race City. And Mooresville Dragway is running again...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Oct 2, 2017 22:13:44   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Don't know what it is running...nothing huge I don't think...
He is having fun and its not costing him a ton it appears...

Best,
Todd Ferguson


I’m not an American car aficionado, but (unfortunately) old enough to remember the Falcon. It was that period when the “big 3” all produced compact cars to compete with the Europeans. Chevy built the Corvair, Mopar the Valiant, and Ford the Falcon. They originally had a pretty anemic inline 6, but later stuffed 260 & 289 V-8s into it, and it became the Falcon Sprint. That may be what he’s running as the 260/289 was a pretty “hot” small V-8 (the 289 was the original engine used in the 1st gen Shelby Cobra). I apologize for going WAY off topic - just reminiscing.

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Oct 2, 2017 22:59:55   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
btbg wrote:
You should be able to get an 80-200 for a lot less than a 70-200, and it will do just as well for sports.

The 80-200 was a great lens. I had an early version of it for years, but unless it's the AF-S model, it won't autofocus with the OP's Nikon D5600. They older models of the lens require the mechanical coupling in the camera body to turn the focusing shaft. Only the higher end Nikon camera bodies have that.
But.... the newest 80-200 AF-S lens has a focus motor inside which should work with the OP's camera.
KEH has a few AF-S models for sale:
https://www.keh.com/shop/nikon-80-200mm-f-2-8-d-ed-if-af-s-autofocus-lens-77.html

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Oct 2, 2017 23:28:13   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TriX wrote:
I’m not an American car aficionado, but (unfortunately) old enough to remember the Falcon. It was that period when the “big 3” all produced compact cars to compete with the Europeans. Chevy built the Corvair, Mopar the Valiant, and Ford the Falcon. They originally had a pretty anemic inline 6, but later stuffed 260 & 289 V-8s into it, and it became the Falcon Sprint. That may be what he’s running as the 260/289 was a pretty “hot” small V-8 (the 289 was the original engine used in the 1st gen Shelby Cobra). I apologize for going WAY off topic - just reminiscing.
I’m not an American car aficionado, but (unfortuna... (show quote)


My first car was a 1960 Valiant V100 passed down from my Dad, who bought it new. That car was the biggest pile of fertilizer I’ve ever had to smell!

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Oct 3, 2017 02:20:15   #
btbg
 
Tet68survivor wrote:
Money is money! Before you buy a new lens, learn your camera settings well! Two things are going to happen, you may realize you don't need a new lens and, you will know exactly what you need to spend the money on! Before "just buying a lens", try one of the several great lens rental companies and try several lenses! Not expensive that way, and most of them will put the rental money or a good portion if it toward the new lens purchase!


He's going to need a new lens if he wants to shoot night time high school football.
I have a Nikon D5 and have a Sigma Sport 150-600 and a Nikon 80-200 f2.8. The Sigma Sport is at least as fast as his lens and I can't use it at night in the high school stadium I regularly work in.

To shoot with the 80-200 I am at f2.8 1/1000 and ISO 10,000. I know that some high school stadiums are brighter than that, but others are at least that dark and maybe worse.

That camera can't do that. That means that he will have to shoot at a slower shutter speed and a lower ISO, which means that anything moving fast will blur. It's not if it will blur, it's how much it will blur.

I would love to shoot from the back of the end zone as teams near the goal line, but the end zones are black holes. The correct exposure in the corners of the end zone are f2.8 1/250th at ISO 12,800. That has too much blur and too much noise to be useable.

From the original posters description he is shooting with his lens wide open and is at least close to the highest ISO that he can use. The only thing that I don't know is whether or not his camera will even work with either the 80-200 or the 70-200 because I don't know whether his body has the focusing motor that the high end Nikons has. If not, then there isn't really much that he can do.

What I can guarantee is that f6.3 will not work in most high school stadiums.

In case this is unclear this is what I do for a living. Before I had the D5 I had to shoot with a D300 and a D300s. The highest ISO I could use was 1,600 before the noise got too bad. That means I shot at 250th of a second and underexposed. Worked more or less ok for black and white photos. Could not publish a color football photo until I purchased a camera that had higher ISO capabilities.

That's just the way it is. Learning to use your camera better isn't going to stop the basic problem, which is that it is dark outside, and footballs can move at a fairly high rate of speed, as do football players on occasion.

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Oct 3, 2017 02:28:32   #
btbg
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
The 80-200 was a great lens. I had an early version of it for years, but unless it's the AF-S model, it won't autofocus with the OP's Nikon D5600. They older models of the lens require the mechanical coupling in the camera body to turn the focusing shaft. Only the higher end Nikon camera bodies have that.
But.... the newest 80-200 AF-S lens has a focus motor inside which should work with the OP's camera.
KEH has a few AF-S models for sale:
https://www.keh.com/shop/nikon-80-200mm-f-2-8-d-ed-if-af-s-autofocus-lens-77.html
The 80-200 was a great lens. I had an early versio... (show quote)


That's an excellent point. It would have to be one of the newer 80-200s. Still costs less than the 70-200 and is just as good for football.

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