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Sep 30, 2017 11:03:22   #
Acufine3200 Loc: Texarkana USA
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Watch this, and see what Ira Block says about high ISOs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrQJLyOub3A


Excellent! As another former newspaper who routinely pushed the limits of my film and developers, getting the shot was most important. I liked this gentleman’s comment regarding getting a shot today regardless of the noise because we have no idea if in five years a better noise canceling software might be developed. Oh how I wish with today’s scanners and software I had been allowed to keep my negatives!

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Sep 30, 2017 11:03:39   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
CatMarley wrote:
Neither. The store is not obligated to instruct you on what to buy. If so, they should have told you that the entry level camera does not autofocus with all the old Nikon lenses, and that you are buying a somewhat limited system unless you get the 7xxx series. What they did was offer an entry priced package. Nikon publishes the specs of everything they make, and it is up to you to read them before buying or not - your choice. Nobody sought to deceive you or deprive you of necessary information. Nobody lied to you. Were you sold garbage under a false flag? NO! You were sold perfectly good photo equipment. Could you have made better choices if you had researched the issue before buying? Yes. Next time do it, but don't play victim because someone failed to feed you information that was freely available.
Neither. The store is not obligated to instruct yo... (show quote)


Sorry Cat, I have to strongly disagree. If they worked for me that is part of their job description. Helping the customer understand the product and their options is a large part of what makes for a happy customer. Your statement is valid if we're talking about a large box store but not for a "Mom and Pop" operation.

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Sep 30, 2017 11:08:55   #
Meganephron Loc: Fort Worth, TX
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
So in other words, you endorse lying all in the name of padding your pocket?



It's not lying. Customer service and sales people have no control over release dates. Yes, Nikon wanted to move as much of the D80's as possible. As an example, Apple announced the iPhone 8 and X at the same time. Sales of the 8 are way below expectations because pre-orders for the X are off the charts. Not a smart move by Apple.

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Sep 30, 2017 11:13:38   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Meganephron wrote:
It's not lying. Customer service and sales people have no control over release dates. Yes, Nikon wanted to move as much of the D80's as possible. As an example, Apple announced the iPhone 8 and X at the same time. Sales of the 8 are way below expectations because pre-orders for the X are off the charts. Not a smart move by Apple.


Apple's not as dumb as you think. They're making a lot more money on the X and the 8 will be a staple in their product line. Also, you don't know what their expectations were.

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Sep 30, 2017 11:16:42   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
In reading the discussion regarding vibration controls I was confused by the discussion. I bought a Nikon D3400 kit which included 2 zoom lenses. After the discussion here, I happened to look at the 2 lenses and found that the shorter one, 18-55 mm included VR but the longer one 70-300mm did not. I was curious about this and contacted Nikon to see if that was the way they offered the kit. Nikon then responded to me by explaining that the VR version of that lens was $50 more than the non-VR and the package was intended to be as inexpensive as possible, and that my local store could have sold me the VR lens for $50 more. The store never mentioned that to me. Further, in searching the internet, I find no one offering the VR version of that lens for $50 more. Anyone know if Nikon was just trying to place the blame on the local store?

So far, only once did I have difficulty with the blurring on the longer zoom, it was dusk and I grabbed the camera to shoot a photo of a hawk and didn't have my monopod or tripod with me. I could have used auto ISO to shoot faster, but I prefer shooting at low ISO for better resolution, I am a hold over from film in which I preferred lower ASA for better quality, and find that although grain at higher ASA on film didn't ever bother me, noise at high ISOs does. I now carry a monopod with me to use with the longer lens.
In reading the discussion regarding vibration cont... (show quote)


Jerry on page one, hit the hammer right on the nail on this topic. It is a package deal for a low price. It was also offered as a package deal on the D5300. I would agree that on a DX version 70-300mm, a VR is needed. I gladly would pay the extra $50+ to have a VR 70-300mm lens. Rather than one without it.

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Sep 30, 2017 11:20:09   #
Acufine3200 Loc: Texarkana USA
 
CatMarley wrote:
Neither. The store is not obligated to instruct you on what to buy. If so, they should have told you that the entry level camera does not autofocus with all the old Nikon lenses, and that you are buying a somewhat limited system unless you get the 7xxx series. What they did was offer an entry priced package. Nikon publishes the specs of everything they make, and it is up to you to read them before buying or not - your choice. Nobody sought to deceive you or deprive you of necessary information. Nobody lied to you. Were you sold garbage under a false flag? NO! You were sold perfectly good photo equipment. Could you have made better choices if you had researched the issue before buying? Yes. Next time do it, but don't play victim because someone failed to feed you information that was freely available.
Neither. The store is not obligated to instruct yo... (show quote)


Amen!

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Sep 30, 2017 11:42:40   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
Acufine3200 wrote:
As another former newspaper who.......


What were you before you were a newspaper?

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Sep 30, 2017 11:51:56   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
In reading the discussion regarding vibration controls I was confused by the discussion. I bought a Nikon D3400 kit which included 2 zoom lenses. After the discussion here, I happened to look at the 2 lenses and found that the shorter one, 18-55 mm included VR but the longer one 70-300mm did not. I was curious about this and contacted Nikon to see if that was the way they offered the kit. Nikon then responded to me by explaining that the VR version of that lens was $50 more than the non-VR and the package was intended to be as inexpensive as possible, and that my local store could have sold me the VR lens for $50 more. The store never mentioned that to me. Further, in searching the internet, I find no one offering the VR version of that lens for $50 more. Anyone know if Nikon was just trying to place the blame on the local store?

So far, only once did I have difficulty with the blurring on the longer zoom, it was dusk and I grabbed the camera to shoot a photo of a hawk and didn't have my monopod or tripod with me. I could have used auto ISO to shoot faster, but I prefer shooting at low ISO for better resolution, I am a hold over from film in which I preferred lower ASA for better quality, and find that although grain at higher ASA on film didn't ever bother me, noise at high ISOs does. I now carry a monopod with me to use with the longer lens.
In reading the discussion regarding vibration cont... (show quote)


Could be no subterfuge on either the store or Nikon. It could have been an honest omission. Or maybe the store employee was new-- or unknowledgeable. Maybe it was the only one in stock? A lot of speculation-- but I wouldn't automatically assume the worst. If you noticed it in time, most reputable stores would likely offer you a swap if you paid the difference. If I was to try to purchase a 70-300 in my local store, I'm fairly certain they would ask: "which one?"

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Sep 30, 2017 11:54:16   #
Acufine3200 Loc: Texarkana USA
 
OddJobber wrote:
What were you before you were a newspaper?


Well, duhhh...a newsletter.

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Sep 30, 2017 12:08:49   #
alfeng Loc: Out where the West commences ...
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
In reading the discussion regarding vibration controls I was confused by the discussion. I bought a Nikon D3400 kit which included 2 zoom lenses. After the discussion here, I happened to look at the 2 lenses and found that the shorter one, 18-55 mm included VR but the longer one 70-300mm did not. I was curious about this and contacted Nikon to see if that was the way they offered the kit. Nikon then responded to me by explaining that the VR version of that lens was $50 more than the non-VR and the package was intended to be as inexpensive as possible, and that my local store could have sold me the VR lens for $50 more. The store never mentioned that to me. Further, in searching the internet, I find no one offering the VR version of that lens for $50 more. Anyone know if Nikon was just trying to place the blame on the local store?

So far, only once did I have difficulty with the blurring on the longer zoom, it was dusk and I grabbed the camera to shoot a photo of a hawk and didn't have my monopod or tripod with me. I could have used auto ISO to shoot faster, but I prefer shooting at low ISO for better resolution, I am a hold over from film in which I preferred lower ASA for better quality, and find that although grain at higher ASA on film didn't ever bother me, noise at high ISOs does. I now carry a monopod with me to use with the longer lens.
In reading the discussion regarding vibration cont... (show quote)

Geez ...

While I understand your frustration at ONE level, I don't at another ...

If you only had a blurred image "once" due to circumstances which you had control over whose results would probably have been replicated when you were using a film camea, then I'm not sure what your complaint actually is ...

While Vibration Reduction OR Image Stabilization OR whatever the manufacturer wants to call it is generally a good thing, while it may seem difficult to believe, I am sure that there are some people who would prefer a lens which doesn't have VR ...

Vibration Reduction isn't a miracle function which will ensure a perfect image ...

For that matter, Auto-Focus isn't necessarily a miracle function, either ...

AND, when there are more-moving-parts there are more things which can eventually fail ...

I am not alone in possessing lenses which are more than 60 years old which are still fully functional ... my guess is that the VR/IS in most of the current Nikon/Canon/etc. lenses will need servicing before 60 years have elapsed OR the lens may (in the worst case scenario) become a paperweight ...

Regardless, your isolated-for-you experience which you cite suggests that if you were to have given the matter EVEN MORE serious consideration than what you currently perceive to be a caveat emptor situation then you might have opted for the lens without VR because the $50 premium might have ultimately been deemed to have been unnecessary (for you) ...

Maybe, you would have opted for a 300mm (or, some other single focal length) PRIME lens instead of the 70mm-300mm ZOOM lens!!!

Maybe, if you had thought about it, you would have excluded the 18mm-55mm Zoom lens from your purchase, too!

Regardless, I have to believe that it's inevitable that at some (¿distant?) point in time in the future that we/you will see THAT series of Nikon digital camera bodies with VR incorporated in the body BECAUSE (IMO) the market will demand it because in-body image stabilization is already available in competing camera lines ...

And, at that point in time you will probably be ready for a new camera body & then you can stop fretting about the lack of VR in your 70mm-300mm lens!




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Sep 30, 2017 12:22:09   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
In reading the discussion regarding vibration controls I was confused by the discussion. I bought a Nikon D3400 kit which included 2 zoom lenses. After the discussion here, I happened to look at the 2 lenses and found that the shorter one, 18-55 mm included VR but the longer one 70-300mm did not. I was curious about this and contacted Nikon to see if that was the way they offered the kit. Nikon then responded to me by explaining that the VR version of that lens was $50 more than the non-VR and the package was intended to be as inexpensive as possible, and that my local store could have sold me the VR lens for $50 more. The store never mentioned that to me. Further, in searching the internet, I find no one offering the VR version of that lens for $50 more. Anyone know if Nikon was just trying to place the blame on the local store?

So far, only once did I have difficulty with the blurring on the longer zoom, it was dusk and I grabbed the camera to shoot a photo of a hawk and didn't have my monopod or tripod with me. I could have used auto ISO to shoot faster, but I prefer shooting at low ISO for better resolution, I am a hold over from film in which I preferred lower ASA for better quality, and find that although grain at higher ASA on film didn't ever bother me, noise at high ISOs does. I now carry a monopod with me to use with the longer lens.
In reading the discussion regarding vibration cont... (show quote)


Did you inspect the equipment when you purchased it. I bought the 3300 when they first came out. I got no box full of it all. I got individual boxes. And I asked for the VR on the longer lens. I'm sure I paid for it, but do not remember how much.....I don't think Nikon packages it all as a unit...I think that is done at the vendor....or at it was then. I even negotiated for some other stuff that was not included. I guess it depends on the vendor, and their customer service.

Anyway, you got a great kit. You might go back to the vendor and ask them why. Maybe they will offer you the VR version. I think most vendors think that when someone drops that much money, they know what they are getting (usually)?

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Sep 30, 2017 12:29:12   #
rocket111
 
They should have told him. Im surprised Nikon even makes a 70-300mm without VR. But they do. I think the store should have at least explained it had no VR. But after the fact cut your losses. I think as cheap as that lens is I would trade it in for the VR. I might even be tempted to go grey market. And you can deffently understand why Nikon would push this non VR lens. I don't think there are a lot of folks wanting a 70-300 without VR.

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Sep 30, 2017 12:33:20   #
pego99
 
It's entirely 110% your fault.
Know what you are buying.
Nikon did not mislead you in any way.

toxdoc42 wrote:
In reading the discussion regarding vibration controls I was confused by the discussion. I bought a Nikon D3400 kit which included 2 zoom lenses. After the discussion here, I happened to look at the 2 lenses and found that the shorter one, 18-55 mm included VR but the longer one 70-300mm did not. I was curious about this and contacted Nikon to see if that was the way they offered the kit. Nikon then responded to me by explaining that the VR version of that lens was $50 more than the non-VR and the package was intended to be as inexpensive as possible, and that my local store could have sold me the VR lens for $50 more. The store never mentioned that to me. Further, in searching the internet, I find no one offering the VR version of that lens for $50 more. Anyone know if Nikon was just trying to place the blame on the local store?

So far, only once did I have difficulty with the blurring on the longer zoom, it was dusk and I grabbed the camera to shoot a photo of a hawk and didn't have my monopod or tripod with me. I could have used auto ISO to shoot faster, but I prefer shooting at low ISO for better resolution, I am a hold over from film in which I preferred lower ASA for better quality, and find that although grain at higher ASA on film didn't ever bother me, noise at high ISOs does. I now carry a monopod with me to use with the longer lens.
In reading the discussion regarding vibration cont... (show quote)

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Sep 30, 2017 12:39:03   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
CatMarley wrote:
What is it with all you crybabies who think it is someone else's obligation to make sure you are buying the best you can? The information is out there. You have access to it. It is nobody's task to force feed it to you. You are not brainless babies with too much money - or are you?


Not sure why you are quoting me with your comment unless you didn't understand what I am saying here Cat...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Sep 30, 2017 12:39:16   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Festus wrote:
I'm amazed! This is an ongoing issue that we see weekly on this forum. An individual purchased $100's if not $1000's worth of camera equipment. Then they are dissatisfied because they didn't get what they thought they were buying. Geez! If one had the tech savvy to find this forum, you would think they would have the tech savvy to search the web and research each item they were purchasing.

I don't know about other brands, but Pentax is famously secretive - in fact, one guy suggested that the U.S. government should out-source secret-keeping to Pentax. A week or two before release a rumor might start circulating, but nobody knows what it really means, if anything, and there is usually some kind of leak the day before the official announcement. A few weeks later, the products will start to ship, so there are a few weeks in which someone who is paying attention "has an advantage", but other than that, most of us are uninformed.

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