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Sep 29, 2017 15:19:50   #
tinwhistle
 
Well, we're 5 pages into the same question that raises it's head every 6 weeks or so. I use a clear filter because of the locations I take pictures, namely, job sites and farms. Just this morning I was called out to a soy bean field to capture the action of multiple combines working together. Any one who has ever seen the bean harvest knows how dirty it is. Heavy, thick dust permeates everything. The more protection for my lens the better....

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Sep 29, 2017 16:23:02   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
bpulv wrote:
Here are my five cardinal rules regarding filters:

Rule #1: Do not use a filter or place any extra glass in your lens's light path unless there is an artistic reason to do so. Protecting your lens does not fall into that category and protecting your lens with a filter is a waste of money and the lens performance you paid for.

Rule #2: The lens hood performs multiple functions. Although it's main function is to prevent glare and flare from stray light and thereby preserve image contrast, it also does an excellent job of protecting the front of your lens from damage. Always use a lens hood if possible.

Rule #3: The only filter a new digital photographer should consider is a circular polarizer. Learning to use a polarizing filter will allow you to enhance landscapes by adding contrast and cutting through haze (haze filters are a gimmick and do not noticeably cut haze). Polarizers also reduce and even eliminate reflections on shiny surfaces such as windows and water. They are a must for marine photography. When used properly, they can be used to darken the sky to add dramatic effects.

Rule #4: Use a lens and body caps, front and rear, when your equipment is not in use.

Rule #5: If you have homeowner's or renter's insurance, you can add an all risk camera rider to your policy for under $20 a year. I pay less than $40 for $10,000 coverage. This should remove any apprehension you may have about lens damage or any other camera damage for that matter.
Here are my five cardinal rules regarding filters:... (show quote)


Does not a CPL filter ruin your photos twice as bad as a filter as it has 2 glass elements? I find the responses like this incredibly silly. Don't use a quality UV etc.filter but make sure you use a CPL filter with 2 pieces of glass. Oh the hypocrisy.

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Sep 29, 2017 16:31:05   #
whitewolfowner
 
Hank Radt wrote:
Hi all,

Have a new lens on order. The salesman has recommended a UV filter to protect the lens (at a not insignificant price...). I returned home and did some research, and have found that opinions vary. On the one hand, yes, filters protect the lenses. On the other, the filters themselves can become scratched or dirty and degrade image quality. (I could add more, but the opinions seem to fall largely into these two camps.

So, my question to the UHH community is, do you recommend using a filter or not? If so, what (apparently modern digital cameras have UV sensors in front of the screen, so a UV filter is largely redundant on these...)? If I'm going to buy one, I wouldn't want to put an inferior filter in front of good glass.

Thanks for your opinions.
Hi all, br br Have a new lens on order. The sales... (show quote)



You gave yourself the answer. If you get a front lens very dirty, scratched or chipped, would you rather it be the front element of your lens or a filter you can remove and replace for a fraction of the cost. Even if nothing ever happens, over the years and the many times you cleaned the front of the lens to keep it clean; would you rather it was a removable filter or the front element that in time you may have removed from the surface cleaning it? Every one of my lenses has a Tiffen Haze2 filter on it at all times. Only times it comes off is to use another filter or remove it because of flaring concerns from a light source in the frame. Don't worry about the claims of a filter degrading the image; that only happens with cheap filters, not good ones. And multiple labs have run tests over the years to prove that statement to be true; yet there are still those out there that believe differently. Some day they will find out the hard way. Don't be among them, get a filter. Tiffen and B & H are the good ones on my list; many praise Hoya too.

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Sep 29, 2017 16:44:16   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
You gave yourself the answer. If you get a front lens very dirty, scratched or chipped, would you rather it be the front element of your lens or a filter you can remove and replace for a fraction of the cost. Even if nothing ever happens, over the years and the many times you cleaned the front of the lens to keep it clean; would you rather it was a removable filter or the front element that in time you may have removed from the surface cleaning it? Every one of my lenses has a Tiffen Haze2 filter on it at all times. Only times it comes off is to use another filter or remove it because of flaring concerns from a light source in the frame. Don't worry about the claims of a filter degrading the image; that only happens with cheap filters, not good ones. And multiple labs have run tests over the years to prove that statement to be true; yet there are still those out there that believe differently. Some day they will find out the hard way. Don't be among them, get a filter. Tiffen and B & H are the good ones on my list; many praise Hoya too.
You gave yourself the answer. If you get a front ... (show quote)



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Sep 29, 2017 17:24:22   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Hoods - always, UV filter - never. Just a personal choice. No issues over the past couple of decades.

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Sep 29, 2017 17:30:47   #
Motorbones Loc: Fair Oaks, CA
 
leftj wrote:
Never heard of B+T.


This is what I meant (just to clarify)...



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Sep 29, 2017 17:33:32   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
My two cents worth; I don't use a UV filter. Instead, my polarizing filter is on the lens most of the time, as well as a lens hood. So, I figure they will keep my lens safe most of the time.

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Sep 29, 2017 18:51:25   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Does not a CPL filter ruin your photos twice as bad as a filter as it has 2 glass elements? I find the responses like this incredibly silly. Don't use a quality UV etc.filter but make sure you use a CPL filter with 2 pieces of glass. Oh the hypocrisy.


I did not say that a CLP filter should be used to protect the lens. It is should be used only when it is needed for a specific artistic purpose. The photographer must weigh the tradeoffs. If you are going to use a filter, there should be a good reason other than lens protection for making the tradeoffs involved. That is not "silly" or "hypocrisy", it is common sense. By your reasoning, a filter should never be used regardless of the reason. Using an ND filter to lengthen exposure time for running water effects when photographing a stream for example, is a good reason. Lens protection alone is not a good reason.

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Sep 29, 2017 18:59:53   #
whitewolfowner
 
whatdat wrote:
My two cents worth; I don't use a UV filter. Instead, my polarizing filter is on the lens most of the time, as well as a lens hood. So, I figure they will keep my lens safe most of the time.




Of course you realize by keeping the polarizer on all the time you are also robbing yourself sometimes over 2 stops.

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Sep 29, 2017 19:10:42   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
No. A lens hood is more important. I always have one attached to each lens in my bag.

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Sep 29, 2017 19:42:04   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
I use B&W pro series clear filters. I find them more valuable for lenses that have surfaces very close to the front, e.g., my 18-35 Nikkor zoom where the front element looks like it almost protrudes. However on less expensive glass of some where the front element is more recessed, I don't. As mentioned earlier, the good ones are expensive.

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Sep 29, 2017 20:33:59   #
skywolf
 
I use a filter. They have saved my lenses twice, from gravel being kicked up by race cars. Cracked one filter, the other one was scratched badly. Could have been my lens. Filtres are cheap insurance.

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Sep 29, 2017 20:50:55   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I have taken moon shots with a filter attached and had no problems at all. With respect are you sure it was the filter that caused the reflection?

You can say there is no need for a protective filter but right here in this thread are reports of cases where a filter did protect an expensive lens. I use a filter on my lenses and have yet to see a difference in the quality of my photos. I don't believe anyone has offered comparisons of photos with and without a QUALITY filter showing the photo with filter is degraded. This is an ongoing subject with photographers and likely will remain so. We each have a choice. You don't think filters protect the lens and I do. No problem as we can do what each of us thinks is best.

Have a great day,

Dennis
I have taken moon shots with a filter attached and... (show quote)

Yes it was the filter that caused the exact copy of the moon in direct relation to the moon in each shot. Once it was removed, I never experienced any flares again.

I didn't say that the filter didn't protect the lens. It does keep dust and scratches off of the lens.

What I said was that I used to faithfully add UV filters on all of my lenses until I ran into that lens flare problem a couple of years ago. Since then, I've removed all of the filters from my lenses.

I'm a believer that the lens cap and the lens hood are usually enough to protect your lens in most cases. There will be those occasional instances where a lens might be fumbled and hit the ground. But those times could be reduced or avoided by carefully handling your equipment over a padded surface, such as your camera bag. I don't know how many times I've placed my camera backpack on the ground to change lenses out in the "field".

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Sep 29, 2017 21:11:09   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
imp by mike wrote:
To use or not to use, that is the question!
Lens caps won't save your lens from a solid hit, even if it's a screw-on; your lens threads will get damaged. I learned a long time ago (from experience) to keep a sacrificial filter on the camera. (I've had to have TAMRON remove a bent filter one time, but the lens was undamaged.) I don't buy a camera unless it takes filters; even my weather resistant Pentax Optio does. I've never found a lens cap that keeps out ALL of the dust, but filters do. If you want to be a purist, then just treat a cheap filter like a lens cap & take it off before shooting. If you don't mind using filters but don't see the benefit of UV or skylight, then use a polarizer.
Whichever way you go, enjoy!
To use or not to use, that is the question! br Le... (show quote)


I too have a Tamron lens that was probably spared because of a sacrificial filter. My Tamron SP 70-200 2.8 was in its neoprene case when it was accidentally dropped on a concrete step. The lens cap popped off and the filter shattered and the outer rim of the filter was bent, but the threads on the lens were still intact, no damage. I believe the filter took the damage the lens would have had the filter not been in place.
I don't use the filters any more, I don't use the neoprene lens cases any more. Each lens now has its own personal foam padded resting place in foam lined metal cases. No more accidental dropping of lenses.

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Sep 29, 2017 21:22:06   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Nikon has a protective front element on their big primes. So, I've been using Nikon N?C {neutral/clear} filters on my smaller lenses.

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