Instead of thinking about stupid things to say, spend your time taking pictures and improving your photography.
rpena2860 wrote:
Shhhhh. You'll drive the cost of film bodies up on eBay.
They have already gotten crazy! Especially non-Rollei TLRs - can you believe $200 for a Yashica-Mat 124?! Or $100 for a beater K1000? Also, 8 to 10 week lead times on vintage film camera CLAs leads one to believe there is truly a revival of film going on in a big way!
Stan
Retina
Loc: Near Charleston,SC
dieseldave wrote:
When is someone going to reveal that DSLR can never compete with the warmth and côlor of film? That digital crap is for rank amateurs get the new Nikanon FILM before you lose your place on the bleeding edge!
It is no surprise that some of the worst sounding LPs are from legendary orchestras on famous labels. There are probably business reasons, circumstances, and some disappointed conductors behind those, so I just try to appreciate the actual music whenever I make myself listen to them. I also have a few CDs, though a very few, that sound like a 30ips master tape in a studio. I can't explain it. It is probably a lucky confluence of factors and no doubt some experienced, meticulous engineers behind a well planned project.
No one will argue that is much to love about film. Some things I miss, others not. But it's just a medium. It has limitations and strengths just as with digital (which will continue to improve steadily for some time to come.) For some the means are as important as the ends, or they are the ends. Nothing wrong with that.
Maybe we could get Yo-Yo Ma to record on an Edison Talking Machine. Of course, no rank amateurs would be involved. Audiophiles would no nuts, but then they would not have far to go. OK, I'm kidding, too. Just remember that no one is born professional--even the best stink a little along the way. And Your Honor, keep that bathroom fan cranked up.
dieseldave wrote:
When is someone going to reveal that DSLR can never compete with the warmth and côlor of film? That digital crap is for rank amateurs get the new Nikanon FILM before you lose your place on the bleeding edge!
I started learning photography in 1957 using a Kodak 35 (35mm) camera. I was 5 years old and my grandfather (a working professional photographer) took me under his wing and taught me to take decent/good photos instead of "snapshots". I progressed and became a fairly good photographer and he gave me a Hasselblad with 3 film backs and 4 lenses (nice aluminum case too). I was then working as a stringer for the local newspaper and on the Putnam City High School Journalism Department as lead photographer, also a reporter and teaching a daily 2 hour photography class. When my grandfather retired, he gave me all of his camera gear... (several Roleiflex with lenses, another Hasselblad, etc.) I had also purchase a Miranda SLR and lenses (all film) and was shooting weddings in addition to my other projects. I had a full blown color darkroom and processed my own B&W, color and color slides) My point is that while I am and was very accomplished at film photography, digital photography and software like Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop have made it easier and more efficient (and yes images that are equivalent to and in some cases surpass film).
This does not in any way diminish the abilities of film or the process. But, to claim that film images are superior to digital is just plain naïve and shows either your inabilities or prejudices. Many of the great film photographers of this time period, Moose Peterson, Joe McNally, Corey Rich (yes these are Nikon Ambassadors but I'm sure that Canon and other makers have people that they can point to also) got their start in film and migrated to digital for what ever reason. Yes film has it's uses but it isn't superior to digital in all aspects. As for pixilation, yes if the sensor is small or the camera older, pixilation is a problem.. however, the same can be said of film and grain... look at grain on Tri-x film or many of the color print films. I shot slide film in order to get around the grain issues on color.
Oh and by the way, I have a large collection of vinyl and also Telarc Vinyl that started as digital tape and then was mastered to vinyl with response that if you are listening to the 1812 Overture and not watching your volume on your receiver, you have a great chance to blow your speakers... and my speakers are very expensive. Yes, Vinyl has been around for a long time and "original" vinyl is known for its limited audio frequency response. Audio Tape (reel to real) was preferred in the audio business for serious recordings.. 8 track was okay but noisy and clunky... and cassette recorders were similarly inhibited. CD was better at reproducing audio quality but still not perfect and all were dependent on the quality of the amplifiers, pre-amps, dynamic range expanders etc.. (yes I had the full compliment).
In short, you are mistaken.
A rank amateur is an amateur who never takes a bath.
Everybody knows that.
dieseldave wrote:
When is someone going to reveal that DSLR can never compete with the warmth and côlor of film? That digital crap is for rank amateurs get the new Nikanon FILM before you lose your place on the bleeding edge!
I still shoot film with the N8008 Nikon I inherited from my father. The color images seem to look a bit warmer, but I like the look of B/W film images because the depth of the contrast in those shots seems to be much more than in digital monochrome conversions.
Film? Right. Walking is all around better for you than than driving. Of course if you walk, you face many limitations on where you can go and what you can do. I'd rather drive. Faster, better, cheaper and so much easier.
BebuLamar wrote:
Do you happen to have some metal tapes?
There was once a Canadian Brass Baroque album (High Bright and Clear) on the Classics on chrome label. Would that count?
Can't find it now... I suspect that it went away along with an '85 VW GTI that disappeared sometime early in this millennium.
Rank Amateur? I always thought that was an apprentice at Pinewood Studios.
Yeah! Pay phones are great foto shots. Don't go blind looking for them, film productions are looking also.
Film was great when there was nothing else. Now the grim stories of scanning old slides and negs and trying to bring those fotos up to good. You cannot go back and reshoot those old negs and slides.
jerryc41 wrote:
Thanks for the tip. Everything goes on ebay today!
I am getting much, much better pictures from my digital cameras and digital processing than I ever did from film prints. That's all because of technology, not my photographic skill. I said goodbye to film and hello to digital, and I'm not going back.
Amen! This old lab rat concurs.
rook2c4 wrote:
Digital large format sensor cameras aren't here yet. At least none the average photographer can afford.
True enough. and Medium format is still a film "thing" at this time for me!
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