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Sep 26, 2017 22:29:15   #
latebloomer Loc: Topeka, KS
 
I have found a Nikon 50 mm (75 mm equivalent) F 1.8 and my Tokina 100 mm (150 mm equivalent) have worked very well for portraits. Actually I have been surprised the the Nikon F 1.8 is so sharp.

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Sep 26, 2017 23:21:28   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Maybe if you actually read the post I quoted, looked at the link to B&H and read it too and read my post referring to that f1.4 lens you would comprehend what I am saying. The OP has a Nikon crop sensor camera. If you put the suggested $1600 lens on that camera you are going to have the field of view of roughly a 130mm lens. Not bad field of view for portraits and maybe several indoor sports. The OP says he doesn't really shoot sports.

I never said that it was not a fine lens. But it is to me a somewhat limited lens on a crop frame camera for $1600. And I pointed out that if you are going to shoot it at f/1.4 it has a very shallow depth of field at most portrait distances, 10 feet or less in my examples. I have no bias against fast glass and own some myself. But buying fast glass should be done for the right reasons and with an understanding of what it will and will not do.

I don't think it really matters to the OP because I believe he said he was going to get the 24-70 f2.8 lens. But maybe what I point out will make people stop and consider what they are spending their money on and why that fits their shooting.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Maybe if you actually read the post I quoted, look... (show quote)

I saw what was at the bottom of your post, but did not see anything but a link. Based my response on what you were saying in your post. Sorry if I did not realize you were not talking about the 24-70mm, but rather about some other lens you did not specifically mention. I do read all the posts in a thread, but do not go backward, only forward as more are added.

Regardless, I disagree that the 24-70mm is "a somewhat limited lens on a crop frame camera". Perhaps you read my post where I mentioned that I used the Nikon 24-70mm on my D7000 for about a year before buying the D810. So I cannot understand why you describe it that way. I could use it on the D7000 in the same way I now do on the FF camera, shooting a wide variety of subjects and getting good pictures, and the crop factor did not bother me at all.

The 85mm f/1.4 prime lens is undoubtedly a great lens. But the problem with it, especially on a crop sensor camera, is that it has only one focal length, which would be similar to using the 24-70mm only at 70mm all the time. The zoom allows you to open up or narrow down without moving from your position, whereas with prime lenses you have to move your feet in order to change the perspective.

I agree with you that lenses should be purchased with an understanding of their capabilities and their best uses. Not because of a GAS attack! For me, the versatility of a short zoom lens makes sense because sometimes I cannot find another position to get the view I am looking for.

Susan

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Sep 26, 2017 23:57:28   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Susan, I never said the 24-70 was a somewhat limited lens. If you read what I said I am talking about the 85mm f/1.4. You really need to read more carefully. I think using a quote reply where the poster is talking about and linking to a Nikon 85mm f/1.4 nearly $1600 lens makes it fairly clear what lens I am talking about. I also have a very nice 24-70 2.8 lens and it is nice on both my FF and APS-H crop sensor cameras. I fully understand the differences and compromises between a fixed focal length lens and a zoom lens. Zoom lenses, especially the highest quality ones, can take very nice photos without carrying a half dozen prime lenses.

Happy shooting,
Todd Ferguson

SusanFromVermont wrote:
I saw what was at the bottom of your post, but did not see anything but a link. Based my response on what you were saying in your post. Sorry if I did not realize you were not talking about the 24-70mm, but rather about some other lens you did not specifically mention. I do read all the posts in a thread, but do not go backward, only forward as more are added.

Regardless, I disagree that the 24-70mm is "a somewhat limited lens on a crop frame camera". Perhaps you read my post where I mentioned that I used the Nikon 24-70mm on my D7000 for about a year before buying the D810. So I cannot understand why you describe it that way. I could use it on the D7000 in the same way I now do on the FF camera, shooting a wide variety of subjects and getting good pictures, and the crop factor did not bother me at all.

The 85mm f/1.4 prime lens is undoubtedly a great lens. But the problem with it, especially on a crop sensor camera, is that it has only one focal length, which would be similar to using the 24-70mm only at 70mm all the time. The zoom allows you to open up or narrow down without moving from your position, whereas with prime lenses you have to move your feet in order to change the perspective.

I agree with you that lenses should be purchased with an understanding of their capabilities and their best uses. Not because of a GAS attack! For me, the versatility of a short zoom lens makes sense because sometimes I cannot find another position to get the view I am looking for.

Susan
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Sep 27, 2017 09:03:40   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
latebloomer wrote:
I would like some opinions on the advantages upgrading to either a Nikon D500 or a Tamron 24-70 g2.
I currently have a Nikon D7100. I have a macro, a 10-14 wide angle, and other lenses. I use a 16-300 Tamron for most of my pictures. I seem to use it mostly in the lower ranges. I do not have a 2.8 zoom. I also take almost no sports or action pictures and usually use a tripod if possible.

Which of the two options will be the best upgrade in the quality of pictures?

Thanks for any help and your opinions.

Terry Sandlin
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If low light is a THING for you go with the D500. Since you do not do sports and action I believe you should keep your system. Stay away from the Tamron fast. If you go with a 24-70 go with a used MINT Nikon. That is the best way to upgrade the IQ of your images.

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Sep 27, 2017 09:07:32   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
latebloomer wrote:
I would like some opinions on the advantages upgrading to either a Nikon D500 or a Tamron 24-70 g2.
I currently have a Nikon D7100. I have a macro, a 10-14 wide angle, and other lenses. I use a 16-300 Tamron for most of my pictures. I seem to use it mostly in the lower ranges. I do not have a 2.8 zoom. I also take almost no sports or action pictures and usually use a tripod if possible.

Which of the two options will be the best upgrade in the quality of pictures?

Thanks for any help and your opinions.

Terry Sandlin
I would like some opinions on the advantages upgra... (show quote)


whenever the choice comes to body/lens, go with the lens. you can always use the body in its manual setting to obtain what you want.

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Sep 27, 2017 09:56:59   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Susan, I never said the 24-70 was a somewhat limited lens. If you read what I said I am talking about the 85mm f/1.4. You really need to read more carefully. I think using a quote reply where the poster is talking about and linking to a Nikon 85mm f/1.4 nearly $1600 lens makes it fairly clear what lens I am talking about. I also have a very nice 24-70 2.8 lens and it is nice on both my FF and APS-H crop sensor cameras. I fully understand the differences and compromises between a fixed focal length lens and a zoom lens. Zoom lenses, especially the highest quality ones, can take very nice photos without carrying a half dozen prime lenses.

Happy shooting,
Todd Ferguson
Susan, I never said the 24-70 was a somewhat limit... (show quote)

Once again, sorry if I misinterpreted what you were saying! You never mentioned the 85mm by name, nor did you mention the 24-70mm. I did mention I had not gone backwards to read previous posts, although I had read them previously. Perhaps I ought to do that, but perhaps you should also try to be more specific. There are others who probably only understand a post by what is said in it, too.

You are right about the "quote reply" - I probably sort of glossed over it because it was at the bottom of the page.

We all make mistakes, I apologize for this whole line of misunderstanding!
Susan

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Sep 27, 2017 10:16:01   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Susan, It is not personal and I don't take it as such. I do find that a lot of people just like to chime in on these threads without reading or understanding what is being or has been said. I have done it in the past and I am sure I will do it again sometime. We all do it at times I think.

Happy shooting,
Todd Ferguson

SusanFromVermont wrote:
Once again, sorry if I misinterpreted what you were saying! You never mentioned the 85mm by name, nor did you mention the 24-70mm. I did mention I had not gone backwards to read previous posts, although I had read them previously. Perhaps I ought to do that, but perhaps you should also try to be more specific. There are others who probably only understand a post by what is said in it, too.

You are right about the "quote reply" - I probably sort of glossed over it because it was at the bottom of the page.

We all make mistakes, I apologize for this whole line of misunderstanding!
Susan
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Sep 27, 2017 15:49:53   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Susan, It is not personal and I don't take it as such. I do find that a lot of people just like to chime in on these threads without reading or understanding what is being or has been said. I have done it in the past and I am sure I will do it again sometime. We all do it at times I think.

Happy shooting,
Todd Ferguson

Thanks Todd! I got the impression you were not taking it personally. But when I make a mistake, I like to own up to it.

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