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Sep 21, 2017 12:38:14   #
Tet68survivor Loc: Pomfret Center CT
 
BlueMorel wrote:
Too bad I can't convince hubby that washing dishes is a great hobby!


AH HA HA HA, in the words of the Viet Nanese kid in the movie " The Green Beret" starting John Wayne, " you funny"!

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Sep 21, 2017 13:54:53   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
jmvaugh wrote:
I need a 5DIV or a 5DSR, and 3 fast Canon primes, a 24-105mm L, and a 100 - 400L. Unfortunately my Santa doesn’t read UHH!


Do you really need them or just want them!?
I didn't buy my 5DSR or my 5DIV because I needed them. I bought them because of their features and capabilities. I didn't intend to get a 5DSR until I saw in person the mind boggling detail and resolution the camera is capable of. The 5DSR is a really nice camera but it's not intended to be a daily shooter. You can use it that way but it can be frustrating. That's why I got the 5DIV. It's not finicky like the 5DSR can be and its got 4K video frame capture. That's like having virtual 30 frames per second plus it has some nice features that I know I will use like built-in time lapse.

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Sep 21, 2017 14:05:26   #
canon Lee
 
jradose wrote:
Just wondering how many Hog members are in my boat. I expect most Hoggers are not professional photogs, rather they are photog enthusiasts, not selling many, if any, of the photos they take. But, I am wondering just how many got sucked into the trap of thinking...if I got the latest camera/lens, if I got a camera that shoots more megapixels, if I upgraded to the best, my photos would be so much better, and I will start selling photos! I certainly did!! So, I want to ask, is that 24 plus megapixel camera that much better than you older 12 megapixel camera? I presently shoot with the D3, and it shoots better than any camera I have had...and I have had the D7200, the D610, the D750, but, I love my D3. Those other cameras cannot come close to matching the D3's image quality, the D3's low light shooting capability, or the D3's frames per second rate. Interested in what other Hoggers think.
Just wondering how many Hog members are in my boat... (show quote)


As a commercial photographer I am not in your boat. I buy the equipment I need to do the job. More $ does not guarantee better quality for what I am shooting. Especially with todays Post editing programs. For me its experience and learning new techniques that makes my work better ( as well as new clients ). I have had the same lenses for decades now. The camera in time will break down and need to be repaired or replaced. There are so many manufactures competing with each other, offering basically the same things with perhaps a new improvement on what already exists. What is better a 10 million dollar home or a 20 million dollar home?

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Sep 21, 2017 14:08:35   #
canon Lee
 
nikonbrain wrote:
I shoot and print , larger images landscapes and birds mainly. I started with a d300 now have a d7100 for 2 years, and a d810 for about 6 the past 6 months .It is the images I shot from the d300 early on that has paid the way for most everything else . There are a halve dozen from the d300 that always sell at about $ 225 dollars each at art shows their IQ is about 24 x 36 I rarely go over unless it's the stitched landscape at 20 x 50 . And it was only 12.3 megapixels. There are 3 from the d7100 with one of an egret at 18 x 42 almost life size that sell well none off the d810 yet , only from lack of travel to sites yet . Fall and spring will be good sunsets here in Florida with a trip to Gatorland in St . Augistine . So it seems the same images keep selling because of content not tech. I also print for an artist that uses a Nikon zoom that has a zoom that goes to like 1400 mm and he has about 12 images that constantly sell at every art show locally and has an itty bitty sensor and the two biggest images I print for him is a row of 6 turtles 16 x 48 and 18 x 60. The biggest that he sells that I print is a 40 x 60 of rainbow springs 3 so far . He out sells all of us with a $ 500. Camera I think it's a p520 or something like that .Since I work on his images we have convinced him to purchase a sony rx10 iii .he has trouble with focus acquisitions and still carries the smaller camera ,and only uses the sony rx10iii after shooting with the Nikon. So it's the image and content that sells not the technology. And of coarse the eye of the Artist..
I shoot and print , larger images landscapes and b... (show quote)


For most here, they would never get back in sales what they invest in their equipment and time.

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Sep 21, 2017 14:19:10   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
jmvaugh wrote:
Most hobbies are designed to be expensive. Golf, fishing, photography, shooting, skiing, playing a musical instrument (unless it’s a washboard), horses, flying radio controlled planes, crafts such as woodworking. I guess a fixed income in retirement keeps us out of debtor’s prison.


I disagree. I don't believe hobbies are designed to be expensive although they certainly can be expensive. It depends on how much money you want to dedicate to your hobby. I use to fish quite a lot but I doubt if I've spent more than a few hundred dollars on gear over the years.
Unfortunately for me my hobbies are expensive. I really enjoy riding my motorcycle. I don't know if it's really a hobby. I've been riding motorcycles since I was 15, many years ago. Each new bike I got cost more than the one it replaced. I'm on my 4th touring bike, my 2nd Honda Goldwing and anyone familiar with Goldwings know how much they cost.

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Sep 21, 2017 14:46:41   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
I still have framed 8 by 10 images made with my 1.3 Mpixel Fuji Finepix 1400 on my walls that I haven't seen fit to replace because I haven't revisited the site with my 39Mpixel D800e. The time may come, but I like the images.

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Sep 21, 2017 14:57:22   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
I do find it easier to use newer gear. Example - Canon 5D vs Sony a6000. Although neither are brand new they are worlds apart in how they are made. While I do enjoy the modern marvels of mirrorless camera, I still use my 5D for portraits and weddings. Overall, I thing the Sony can do better, so it's more me than the gear. Old habits die hard. Too many new habits may break the bank though. lol

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Sep 21, 2017 16:21:12   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
warrior wrote:
I see NO difference in the photos.


Sorry about your eyesight.

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Sep 21, 2017 16:45:14   #
jmvaugh Loc: Albuquerque
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Do you really need them or just want them!?
I didn't buy my 5DSR or my 5DIV because I needed them. I bought them because of their features and capabilities. I didn't intend to get a 5DSR until I saw in person the mind boggling detail and resolution the camera is capable of. The 5DSR is a really nice camera but it's not intended to be a daily shooter. You can use it that way but it can be frustrating. That's why I got the 5DIV. It's not finicky like the 5DSR can be and its got 4K video frame capture. That's like having virtual 30 frames per second plus it has some nice features that I know I will use like built-in time lapse.
Do you really need them or just want them!? br I d... (show quote)

I was just doing a fun one-up to
Kmgw9v’s “I need a 850”.
I have more than enough camera and lenses as I’m learning/ relearning photography and consider myself quite blessed. This topic and thread made me remember that there’s something almost magical when the big brown truck pulls up with our new gear. Just like a kid whose opening his/her new toy, big smiles, hands almost trembling. It’s just fun! Doesn’t matter if we need it or if it will improve our shots, it’s just fun playing with a new camera or lens. Which is exactly what Nikon, Canon, Sony, Olympus, Pentax, Fuji are counting on and bottom lines depend on.

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Sep 21, 2017 16:46:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
jmvaugh wrote:
...there’s something almost magical when the big brown truck pulls up with our new gear. Just like a kid whose opening his/her new toy, big smiles, hands almost trembling. It’s just fun! Doesn’t matter if we need it or if it will improve our shots, it’s just fun playing with a new camera or lens.



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Sep 21, 2017 16:48:03   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Coop1947 wrote:
It takes 48 megapixels to approach film quality with 35mm cameras and More pixels the higher costs of the camera.

The difference is the tonal range of shadows. The more pixels the better the detail in the shadows. When you make a print the range is compressed from the film which takes out some of the total film range. Prints and monitor viewing can't produce film density range of film, so pick a camera based on how you want to view your pictures. If you are sending out over Facebook the 8 megapixels are fine. If you are making prints to sell then get a camera that has 48 megapixels.
It takes 48 megapixels to approach film quality wi... (show quote)

My personal testing showed that 6MP at least equals Kodachrome 25

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Sep 21, 2017 16:51:46   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
jmvaugh wrote:
I was just doing a fun one-up to
Kmgw9v’s “I need a 850”.
I have more than enough camera and lenses as I’m learning/ relearning photography and consider myself quite blessed. This topic and thread made me remember that there’s something almost magical when the big brown truck pulls up with our new gear. Just like a kid whose opening his/her new toy, big smiles, hands almost trembling. It’s just fun! Doesn’t matter if we need it or if it will improve our shots, it’s just fun playing with a new camera or lens. Which is exactly what Nikon, Canon, Sony, Olympus, Pentax, Fuji are counting on and bottom lines depend on.
I was just doing a fun one-up to br Kmgw9v’s “I n... (show quote)


Life should be about having fun--when possible.

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Sep 21, 2017 16:52:14   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Life should be about having fun--when possible.


If it's not fun, why bother?

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Sep 21, 2017 16:53:40   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Coop1947, I often wondered about the quality comparison of fine-grain film vs megapixels through the same lens. Thanks for the info. Could I ask where you got it?

Comparing pictures I took using Kodachrome 25 in my Pentax Super Program to those taken with my 16MP Pentax K-30 using the same Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7 lens, the digital images are clearly sharper.

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Sep 21, 2017 20:42:20   #
Tinkwmobile
 
I don't try to sell anything. What I print is for our enjoyment.

I had the opportunity to spend a couple of photo sessions with a pro, a learning experience via the camera club. If you were to classify him, he would be a fashion photographer. Much of his work is published in international catalogs.

He had an older 10mp Canon. Old enough that there was some tape holding on a couple parts. He is a master with lighting, in this case studio lighting. He is also a master in posing. I learned a lot from him, the most important lesson, it's the photographer not the camera.

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